After Muellur, what next?

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    From the Economist, here: After Mueller, what next? - excerpt:

    Find the flaw in America's "democracy". There are several - first and foremost of which is its electoral-system. More than two centuries ago, within four years of one another, the US conceived and implemented Gerrymandering and the Electoral College. Which has very largely resulted in first the evolution of a two-party system. And secondly, that the result would be not representative governance but one of "which party has the most money to get their candidate elected" ...
     
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    The electoral system is not a flaw. It was intended to give the gov'ts of the states an equal voice in electing POTUS, ensuring the slave states could not ride roughshod over the North.

    As far as the Electoral college fostering a two party system, you need to study history a bit more deeply. The Englis already had a two party system a century or so before the Revolution. the founding fathers only recreated what they knew.
     
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    Equal voice "me arse"! There is only one voice in an election and it is that of the popular-vote!

    Any fair&honest electoral voting system is purely the decision of the popular-vote. You obviously do not understand the definition of "popular-vote". (All else is a "manipulation" of the popular-vote. It should be illegal, but isn't!)

    Dictionary definition of the "popular-vote" from here:
    And why are these definitions important? Because the last election should have told you that the real winner was not Donald Dork but Hillary Clinton!

    Apparently you do not understand the popular-vote outcome (by which Clinton beat Trump) by a healthy margin. Clinton received 2.87 million more votes nationwide (the largest margin ever for a candidate who lost the electoral college); that is, a margin of 2.1%!
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    Obviously you have not studied American history. Too bad. Calling a system that works the way it was designed to 'flawed' is an error. Calling it flawed because it doesn't work the way you want it to is just whining.
     
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    The design was flawed for various reasons lost in the history of the US. But factually, this is what has happened (from here):
    Twice in 20-years it has happened recently. And it will happen again, and again, and again.

    It's high-time that we fix it ... !
     
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    And you refuse to understand HOW IT WORKS WRONGLY ... !
     
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    THE BASIC RIGHT OF VOTING FAIRNESS

    "Equal voice?" WHAT EQUAL VOICE! You mean the one based upon Fraudulent Voting-Practices! (Like Gerrymandering and the Electoral College?)

    And you call that a fair and honest democratic republic!?!

    You are writing nonsense. The purpose of the Electoral College is to collect the results of the popular-vote. Then IT WRONGLY MANIPULATES THE POPULAR-VOTE BY ALLOCATING ALL THE EC-VOTES (BASED UPON THE POPULATION OF THE STATE) TO THE SUPPOSED MAJORITY "WINNER" IN A NATIONAL ELECTION.

    As if voters in the state who voted for the LOSER CANDIDATE had no right to vote whatsoever and their votes are not counted but discarded!

    Which is how Hillary just lost the last election - BECAUSE SHE WON IT UPON THE TOTAL POPULAR-VOTE by a significantly large margin of over 2%!


    You have no sense whatsoever of the basic right of Voting Fairness. in other words: justice, impartiality, justness, decency, honesty, probity, rectitude, uprightness, truth, integrity, charity, veracity, tolerance, right, candor, honor, balance, moderation, civility, consideration, good faith, propriety, courtesy, reasonableness, rationality, humanity, rightness, equity, equitableness ...
     
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    We don't live in a democracy.
    Is this hard?
     
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    Give her a cookie.
     
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    Doesn't matter.

    The Founding Fathers were, brilliant, by creating the electoral college.

    This compels American society, to always come full circle/over and over/come back to descendants of The Mayflower yes sir therefore super-delegates are a beautiful thing no doubt indeed :)
     
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    Cockamamie response. The unmanipulated popular-vote is the ONLY true and acceptable means of election of any political office in the land. Except one. The PotUS!

    You are living in the 18th-century, and it is the present that matters. Which is why the unfairly elected Donald Trump is trying to stuff the Supreme Court* in order to assure that NO CHANGE OCCURS in the electoral process. (Because enough Americans were dumb-enough to allow him to do it!)

    Such that the unacceptable errors of Gerrymandering and the Electoral College remain to pollute the electoral process of the Greatest Country on Earth?

    Who are you trying to kid, other than yourself ... ?

    *Which is yet another mistake - that is, of political judgement that is made a lifetime career. Especially because "lifespan" has been extended so greatly since the original constitution was written and signed. The Supreme Court needs more "turnover" to prevent its political ossification by just one party!
     
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    Giggles
     
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    Clearly, you have me mistaken for a different member here. Good luck with that.
     

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