After two years of silence Mueller finally speaks

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    William Barr with his bias and his favorability toward Trump has acted more like a defense lawyer than the U.S. Attorney General. Today Robert Mueller wanted to set the record straight.

    Provided below are direct quotes from Mueller's statement. They will be in bold italics so nobody can say they missed them or were confused, although some will say that anyway or avoid the comments altogether.

    The attorney general has made the report on our investigation largely public. We are formally closing the special counsel’s office, and as well, I’m resigning from the Department of Justice to return to private life.

    Barr and Trump refuse to allow Congress to see the full, unredacted version of the report. Congress can see only what Barr will allow them to see. That is a clear sign of guilt.

    Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate.

    That candidate was Hillary Clinton. The Russians wanted Trump to become our next President.

    When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the government’s effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable.

    This volume [First] includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy.

    Contrary, to Trump's pronouncements of innocence, that does not mean he is innocent. It means there was not sufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to convict Trump in a court of law. That was not possible anyway. Mueller than makes guilt or innocence clear.

    If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.

    Clearly, that is the most important statement in the entire presentation. Trump, Sanders, and Jay Sekulow completely ignored that statement in their statements today.

    The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office.

    The special counsel’s office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation, it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.

    Clearly, that is the second most important statement in Mueller's presentation. Barr falsely claimed that OLC rule of not charging a sitting President did not, I repeat, did not, play a role in Mueller's Report.

    Obviously, it did. The OLC's ruling played a huge role in the report.

    Barr lied.

    The opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.

    Barr said Mueller was equivocal about Congress's role. Obviously, Mueller left it up to Congress in terms of the next step.

    Barr lied.

    It would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

    So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated. And from them, we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime.

    Always the true professional.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...we-would-have-said-so/?utm_term=.088fe16feead
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bar is legally not allowed to show some information to anyone, you need an order from a judge for that.

    Nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.

    Insufficient evidence....what more do you need to know here?

    No, the fact that they couldn't charge him with a crime is their biggest statement.

    If they have evidence why aren't they saying so?

    He doesn't need to charge him but he certainly could present the evidence of guilt to the DOJ and leave it up to them. He presented no such evidence of guilt.

    Why not?

    And what is their next step going to be?

    What are they going to uncover that Mueller couldn't?

    Mueller didn't have enough to present evidence of guilt on anything in regards to Trump so what will congress find?

    They will be looking at the same evidence he has been doing for the last two year?

    Do you think a magical smoking gun will suddenly appear?

    This right here is actually the most pertinent statement.

    Mueller is saying he can't prove anything in court.

    /endthread
     
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    Sandy there are already a haft dozen threads on this topic. Why not just jump on one of them?
     
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    Ah - another episode of Fantasy Island! How nice!
    :lol:
    New tell the truth: Mueller found no collusion, coordination or conspiracy with the Trump campaign.
    Good thing Trump didn't do any of that.
    Look at you, deliberately making false statements.. Again.
    Mueller said:
    "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
    Note how that differs from your statement, and paints a very different picture.
    Why do you need to make things up?
    Only those ignorant of the law and the rules of logic.
    But, to use your standard, above:
    Mueller did not find sufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to convict Trump in a court of law of obstruction.
    Look at you and your continued deliberate mal-represntation of the facts.
    My, how desperate you are.
    But, that's not new.

    Barr said:
    After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.

    Where's the lie?
     
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    This guy lives in an alternate universe.

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    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump



    Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you.

    09:37 - 29 May 2019

    Does he expect even his base to believe that nonsense?

    Of course, there is not much he can say. It is self-evident from Mueller's Report, his statement today, and Trump's actions that Trump is guilty as hell.
     
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    Mueller essentially said Trump couldn't prove his innocence, which turns the burden of proof around 180 degrees.

    He slimed Trump with no proof.
     
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    :banana::roflol:That's all I can say.

    Right on, all it takes is a court order, easily attainable if the U.S. Attorney General is asking.

    You are reading only what you want to read while ignoring the obvious.
     
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    Mine is better.
     
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    No, just a bigger ego.
     
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    Mueller won't testify because he's scared of the Republican questions about his farce.
     
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    Who is going to jail for Hillary working with the Russians to produce the dossier?

    Who is going to jail for presenting lies to the FISA judges?
     
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    How sad that the cable news is spinning what he said. I listened to it live and it was obvious he tried to emphasize the part where he chose not to make an opinion to the AG regarding Obstruction. He was not limited by the DOJ law regarding providing his findings in Obstruction. In fact, it was not in the end his decision to make, his report was for the AG. He should have only have the facts to the AG. But he chose not to.

    There for the AG based his conclusion on what the report said.
     
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    Muller's report was to be written for his boss, the AG. If they found evidence of ibstruction, his report should have laid those findings out. Then it was up to the AG to decide if there were indictable offenses by the President. He found no evidence of indictable obstruction. Nothing Mueller said was new, as he said he would only speak as his report said.

    Go ahead Dems. Try to impeach on this report and you will lose.
     
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    Congress can ask also.

    Why haven't they?

    You need a judges order to release grand jury testimony.

    Is it because they know it won't show anything and then they will finally be exposed?

    I'm thinking that's it.

    They are going to try and milk this until the election.
     
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    Mueller's 448-page report is a joke. Like a phony wishy-washy insider he said something to please everyone (look at the people on both the left and the right who quote from Mueller's report). Barr tried to make sense out of the report by a 4-page summary. Barr came close to being decisive but he could have just used 4-sentences to summarize thus being more accurate and to the point. Trump summarized the Mueller report best in just 6-words. "No collusion, no obstruction, case closed".
     
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    Please impeach.

    I want to see the Kavanaugh debacle ver. 2.0 with the exact same result, failure and embarrassment for the Democrats.
     
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    A rather ironic statement, King Friday:

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    Mueller: "I'm not saying he's guilty, but I'm not not saying he's guilty."

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    No, he found insufficient evidence to charge Trump with conspiracy. He could not charge Trump, anyway. Do you have a reading problem? Mueller never used the term, "collusion?" Barr did.

    Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election identified 10 instances of possible obstruction of justice by President Donald Trump. https://www.apnews.com/e0d125d737be4a21a81bec3d9f1dffd8

    That is a lie. From the analysis you didn't read. This volume [First] includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy.

    If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.


    The only way Trump's fans can defend Trump is to lie and avoid reality. Having a vivid imagination and the ability to invent "alternative facts" helps.
     
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    Tell us, King Friday:
    Outside your world of make-believe, how does this translate to a statement that Trump conspired with the Russians?
    Yup. Note the word "possible", highlighted.
    AG Barr and DAG Rosenstein concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Their determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.
    It is?
    Where did Mueller determine, demonstrate claim, state, or even hint at finding sufficient evidence of the motive necessary for the crime of obstruction to exist?
    Please be sure to quote the report in your response.
    :lol:
    Only in the land of make-believe...

    Mueller bigfoot.jpg
     
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    I must give credit where is due. These Trump fans were smart enough not to use Trump's 18 minute rant this morning as a defense. In his rant, nearly every sentence was a lie, and these fans knew it.
     
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    It is difficult to comprehend that his man is our President.

    The ad lasts about 10 seconds. Trump's fans may use this an excuse not to listen to what Trump had to say.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/30/politics/trump-russia-election-interference-help/index.html

    Trump is proud of his ability to lie. He claims it is a talent. He calls it truthful hyperbole. Nearly everything he said today was a lie.

    Trump is a sick man. Perhaps, that is why his fans stay loyal. They don't want to desert a sick man. It is why they lie for him and ignore reality.

    I can't think of any other reason why they stick with this vindictive, dishonest, narcissistic, loudmouth President.
     
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    If you think the Russians committed a crime along with Trump to get Trump elected president then you should want to charge Obama along with the heads of the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, etc., with abetting the crime. Why didn't they know about the ongoing crime and why didn't they stop it?
     
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    In his rant today, Trump expressed bewilderment at the prospect that House Democrats could even consider moving to oust him from office, calling impeachment a "dirty, filthy, disgusting word.”

    “I don't see how they can because they're possibly allowed, although I can't imagine the courts allowing it."

    o_O The courts have nothing to do with impeachment.

    Also, during that rant, Trump said, “So, I wasn’t a fan of John McCain, I never will be. But certainly I couldn’t care less whether or not there’s a boat named after his father.”

    :rolleyes: He calls the destroyer a boat! My God, our President called a U.S. Navy destroyer a boat! It was named after three naval heroes, all named John McCain. This is surreal.

    Then he lied about Senator John McCain. “John McCain killed health care for the Republican Party, and he killed health care for the nation,” Trump said.

    McCain voted against repealing health care. It was a measure that would have permanently repealed the Affordable Care Act. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...p-john-mccains-career/?utm_term=.f29c33be2fbb

    Trump is a disgusting little man.
     
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    I am cutting short my replies to you. Why? You simply ignore reality. You are wasting my time. You want me to cover ground already covered.

    I have a question for you. How can you possibly support a man like this? Are you from around here? I have the feeling you are not.

    Sorry, that's two questions.


     

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