AHCA Must Be Passed

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  1. Danneskjold

    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because the ER is expensive.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We are talking about healthcare and why costs are high. This has nothing to do with that the ouliers are not a reflection on the whole.
     
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    Yes........
     
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    Don't do it! After the election, the value of guilt-trip "cards" for racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc., etc. PLUMMETED!
     
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    Cherry picking one data point that is not even representative of all hospitals doesn't prove squat.
     
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    -0.7% they are loosing money. Hard to be greedy when you aren't turning a profit.
     
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    That does not apply to ALL hospitals.
     
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    We are #1. more then the entire EU combined. Its 1/4 globally. You don't care though right? Because oligarchy. You don't really have your own argument.
     
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    It's the average.
     
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    yep, republicans decided to keep the ACA rather then pass their own, that is all on them now
     
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    Given that you have just admitted that the rest of the world spends 3 times more than the US does that proves my point.
     
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    That isn't what your link said!

    That ONLY applied to hospitals with more than 200 beds ergo it was NOT representative of ALL hospitals.
     
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    3/4 of all hospitals have less then 200 beds. Look it up yourself. I'm done giving you numbers you don't care about.
     
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    It actually doesn't. We spend more then any other country that was my point. You want to break down drug research too?
     
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    So much depends or where the hospital is located and what patients they serve. For instance a small community hospital may have a higher mortality rate because their patient base is chronically ill seniors. There are all sorts of things to consider.

    An inner city hospital in a large city may treat Aids patients whereas a small town hospital may not.. They may not have physicians with deep experience in treating HIV... although that probably isn't true these days.
     
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    This is what YOUR link actually stated;

    Since that is only 25% of all hospitals according to what you just claimed that means that the remaining 75% must be making a profit according to your own link.

    And note that not all of the hospitals with 200+ beds are losing money either.

    Obviously you don't care about your own numbers!
     
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    But you just said that that the US is only responsible for 25% globally so that means that the rest of the world makes up the other 75% which is 3 times as much as the US spends.
    Your point is meaningless given that the rest of the world is spending 3 times as much as the USA.

    R&D spending by itself does NOT prove that other nations are benefiting more from the USA than the USA is benefitting from what other nations are doing.

    That is a fallacious claim on your part.
     
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    Another major mortality factor for hospitals is age. Older hospitals are much more difficult to maintain sterile and sanitary conditions and so infections can spread more easily. Even something like an aging HVAC system can be the cause of patient mortality.
     
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    What's the problem then? Why are prices so high?
     
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    True...

    I have been remiss in not mentioning family practice residency programs like in Anderson, South Carolina and Greenville, SC.
     
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    Currently Medicare sets hospital prices using a number of complex variables such as “case severity” and adjusts for local conditions, which includes number of Medicaid patients served.
     
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    In a single word, greed!

    For profit health insurers are beholden to the Wall Street Casino Bosses demands for ever greater shareholder profits and they don't care about the welfare of the patients.

    That means that the health insurers have created a vicious price spiral that works like this;

    1. In order to meet the profits demanded by the Wall Street Casino Bosses the private health insurers are short paying, AKA stiffing, the medical service providers.

    2. The medical service providers can't afford to be short changed so they raise the price of services to cover the amount that they being screwed out of by the health insurers.

    3. The health insurers raise their premiums blaming the medical service providers for raising their costs while omitting that there were stiffing them in order to meet the greedy demands of the Wall Street Casino Bosses.

    This has been going on for decades now and none of the private health insurers dares to tell the Wall Street Casino Bosses to shove it because otherwise their share price will be "punished".

    This is why we have to eliminate shareholder owned health insurance and medical service providers entirely or we are ever going to contain costs.
     
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    Lou in
    and you say I have no proof.
     
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    Not my problem if you don't know how the Wall Street Casino operates.
     

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