Ahmadinejad: Zionists started both World wars

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  1. Liebe

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    Iranian president tells Washington Post 'Zionist regime' is behind all major conflicts; 'Palestinian UN bid should be the beginning of liberation of entire Palestinian land'

    WASHINGTON – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused Israel of perpetuating terror, and blamed the "Zionist regime" for starting both the first and second world wars.

    "The Zionist regime is always doing the same thing. They destroy people’s homes and raze them to the ground," Ahmadinejad told the Washington Post on Tuesday. "They have created a few major wars. They continue to assassinate and terrorize people; they continue their policy of coercion against other nations, including Iran."

    The Iranian leader slammed the West for supporting the Jewish state, accusing the United States of sacrificing its "whole population" for "the interests of a few hundred Zionists."

    "I think an important question that must be answered is, why do all US administrations always support the Zionist regime?" Ahmadinejad pondered. "The United States is 10,000 kilometers away from Palestine, and other nations in the region are against the Zionists, but the United States and its allies in Europe continue to support the Zionist regime. Why?

    "I think you should have a referendum in the United States to see if the people want to use their resources and taxes for a number of killers," he added.

    Dubbing Zionism "A dreadful party, a feared party," Ahmadinejad claimed that the movement "was behind the First World War and the Second World War. Whenever there is a conflict or war — this party is behind it."

    He expressed hope that the Palestinians' drive for recognition at the United Nations will be successful, noting that the Islamic Republic is "against killing and massacres. We are against occupation."

    "That should be the beginning of the liberation of the entire Palestinian land," Ahmadinejad said of the PA's impending UN bid. "The Palestinian nation existed before the Palestinians had unwanted guests pour into Palestine with guns."

    http://www.ynetnews....4122450,00.html

    More anti-semitic ranting by my favourite world leader! Is there anything that the jews should not be blamed for?
     
  2. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    ' Translations' of Ahmadinejad are notoriously corrupt. Let's see a Farsi-speaker produce the goods.
     
  3. Liebe

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    Other than claiming that he has been misunderstood (like anyone who gets negative press in your eyes), any substantive comments?

    Do you agree with him?
     
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    Another Muhammad crackpot!
     
  5. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    I'll let you know when I get to see an authoritative translation of what he is supposed to have said.
    I don't suppose you believe that he called for the physical destruction of Israel, do you ?
     
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    How does an authoritative translation look?

    In fact my ex is Persian and speaks Farsi, having fled the country as an 8 year old. He says Ahmadinejad called for the desctruction of Israel and he hates the fact that this nutter destroys the respect and reputation that Persian culture enjoyed internationally for years. I have to agree, the Persian culture is incredible but an ignorant fool screws it up by making ridiculous statements like this.
     
  7. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    Your ex was mistaken and/or biased. My Farsi translations come from here;

    http://www.juancole.com/

    Cole is also fluent in Arabic and he is a loyal American.
     
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    Iran puts any problem past and present on the Jews, easy way out I guess.
     
  9. zulu1

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    Indeed he/she was:

    Arash Norouzi said the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-w...h_b_39069.html

    Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).

    http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitc...-hitchens.html

    Cole stated that "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/w...nner.html?_r=1

    He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-2-2006_pg4_15

    Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also said the text is a mistranslation.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...ust061213.html

    Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation—"wipe Israel off the map"—suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...y.html?ref=rss

    The Guardian columnist and foreign correspondent Jonathan Steele published an article based on this line of reasoning.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...02/comment.usa
     
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    Still a direct threat to destroy Israel.
     
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    Actions speak louder than words whether correctly translated or not. Israeli government "actions" have been demonstrably far more damaging in objective terms than any "words" uttered by the president of Iran. It is not Iran who has pre-emptively attacked her neighbours or illegally occupies territory.
     
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    In the minds of the mistaken and/or biased, yes.
     
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    Nope...You really are dense aren't you?
     
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    Maybe he should have stayed and learned Farsi then :omg:



    een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods

    EVEN an English only speaker with no knowledge of Farsi would read regime and Jerusalem:mrgreen:

    How is his English?
     
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    could be.

    i never thought of it until today

    they did in fact declar war on germany before germany declared war on anyone.

    that is history

    they did supply the US with the so called intelligence of WMD in iraq, and we all know that was BS.

    aipac has practically written in it website "the intent' of shutting down iran

    but ww1............... that is interesting to contemplate.

    especially considering that in austria and germany the foundations of zionism within


    that is a solid inquiry (question) and not a person on this earth can honestly answer that question unless siding with the religious ideals of zionism.

    has nothing to do with equality

    has nothing to do with fairness

    it has nothing to do with peace, freedom or what is right to mankind.

    the ONLY reason siding with israel can make sense, is if a person actually believes bigots have a right to palestine by god

    good point.

    as the taxes are not for peace but for weapons and barbed wire fences

    then and now being used to go against our president that already knows palestine should be given statehood while the bigots should return to the pre 67 lines
    he would perhaps have better access to information about the cause of ww1 than most, simply because he has more resources that you and i do on the old records

    how many can look into this and pursue this?

    i am against 'occupation'

    ie..... bigots, get the f' out of the golan and jeruselem with millitary intent to maintain the land that aint theirs
    a straight claim

    i am beginning to like him more too

    Peace!


    there is no evidence what's so ever for israel enabling PEACE.


    ie....israel made their state without palestinian approval, who the f' has the right to suggest israel can convince the world to deny palestine a state.

    that in itself is an act of war
     
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    Indeed. The fascist regime in Iran's support for groups seeking the destruction of Israel speaks louder than the words in any Ahmadenijad speech, whether it is correctly translated or not.
     
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    I agree with him in that the zionists were arse-deep in both world wars. Just as I believe the zionist/neocons were behind the Iraq invasion. And they will be behind our future invasion of Iran.

    It's amazing how a bunch of ex-Eastern European Jewish Bolsheviks and their follow-ons could gain so much support in the US. It must be those dirty pictures.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By all means, please share the valuable intel you have on this impending attack. :lol:
     
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    I like how individuals here who spread what they perceive as the greatest threat to Israel,the president of Iran, a man who passionately speaks about his views to gain political support in his own nation and to increase his influence amongst Islamic nations, as something in which they can back up their far right views, and their anti-Islamic rhetoric, while clearly ignoring FACTS.

    Is the Iranian regime bombing nations, going to war every decade, killing other nations civilians weekly, invading nations and influencing powerful governments with wealth and racial ideology?

    Do Israel and it's allies conduct themselves in that way? Yes.

    Oh wait, so real aggressive military actions, real invasions, real occupations, real killing is what.. somehow secondary to the rants of a somewhat internationally harmless nation? Get your head out of the sands, breeders of hate, bearers of petty grudges, those who hide in the shadows of the truth to push their own ill conceived agendas.

    If Iran starts invading countries, bombing nations, supporting regime change and forcing it, forcing people to accept their nations way of governance and their values THEN I'll start to listen to people like you.
     
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    I said "future" invasion, not "impending" invasion. But the zionists are hard at work on the pretext even as we speak.
     
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    No evidence for that...Try again...Israel has actively pre-emptively attacked her neighbours regularly, illegally occupies Palestine and has threatened Iran.
     
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    It really is extraordinary how certain segments of a population can be either so blind to, or ignorant of the misdeeds of its own nation, whilst at the same time accuse a largely, as you say, ineffectual country of the very things they ignore in their own!
    A psychologist might describe those as being symptomatic of classic projection-blame shifting as a defense.
     
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    Perhaps, Mel Gibson should be the next President of Iran.
     
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    President is just a puppet name in Iran anyway :D

    Anyway the average Islamic excuse for anything wrong is'' Dem Jews did it ''
     
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    kind of like the stupid posts on this section come from DutchClogCyborg


    <<<<<<he did it>>>>>>
     

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