Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

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  1. Wizard From Oz

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    Yeah, breezes and studios dont usually go together. Film makers kinda don't like them. Maybe the astronaut just farted at the wrong time
     
  2. Scott

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    You're deliberately trying to mislead those viewers who don't click on the link and look at the video by misrepresenting what it says. Here's the post again.
    He says the flag starts moving when he's about a foot away. He's not referring to the movement that started when he was six feet away. You're cornered by this so you're trying to muddy the waters.

    You've lost this debate and you don't want to recognize it. That's why you're playing games instead of giving serious answers.
     
  3. Betamax101

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    Spam.

    You are deliberately being deceptive.

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    a/ Explain the lens flares - if you claim it was doctored, prove it with your own gif.

    b/ Find me a wind tunnel picture where air is moving a foot away in front of the object(let alone six feet away, where the actual movement actually starts!).

    c/ Explain why Jarrah White's flag doesn't move until he is level with it.

    d/ Explain why Jarrah White's flag billows as he goes by, but the Apollo 15 flag does not.

    e/ Explain why his bed sheet doesn't move as he walks by at less than a foot distance.

    f/ Give a detailed scientific explanation why kicked regolith striking the base didn't cause the movement.

    g/ Give a detailed explanation why ground vibration as he ran towards it didn't cause the movement.

    You are cornered, you have nothing. All you can do is repeat spam, ignore my requests and feign ignorance.

    Which part of this picture are you having a problem with:-

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    You don't get to claim victory from the pit of ignorance.
     
  4. Scott

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    It looks like I'll have to keep posting post #18 to keep it from getting buried.

    Hey viewers:

    Start watching this video at the 1:08 time mark and look what happens at the 1:12 time mark...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

    ...and then look at the still from the video that Betamax posted in post #53. He deliberately misrepresented what happened in the video to mislead people. The flag started moving when he was about a foot away. Betamax showed a still from the video in which he had already passed the flag to falsely claim he hadn't arrived at the flag yet to make it look like the maker of the video was claiming that the flag started to move when he was six feet away and not when he was one foot away.
     
  5. Betamax101

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    I have removed the bertl picture, you are quite correct, the still was after he had passed (a genuine mistake on my part for which I apologise - there is a mark on the left which I mistook for his arm). However, it can clearly be seen that there is movement before this. See Jarrah White's conclusion above. See my video here, highlighting it:-

    [video=youtube;GJ888vXaKNM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ888vXaKNM[/video][

    Edit:- I just discovered a really telling animated gif. This is from that video you keep referring to and shows, very clearly, that the movement starts at a distance of six feet away!

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    Find me a wind tunnel picture where air is moving a foot away in front of the object(let alone six feet away, where the actual movement actually starts!).

    Interested viewers will note that he is not only incapable of responding to the tough questions, but is also completely incapable of backing up his ludicrous claim regarding the "wall of air". Non physics.
     
  6. Scott

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    I doubt it.

    I'm going to repost this question again.
    The fact that some major movement started when the astronaut was about one foot away from the flag and not close enough to brush it as Betamax claims shows that the footage was taken in astmosphere. Betamax has been tap dancing around this for several pages now by refusing to address it and asking irrelevant questions.
     
  7. Betamax101

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    One of us has scruples and it isn't you.

    Spam.

    I have addressed this literally hundreds of times, each time you have spammed it! I agree with the video. However, he has determined that point at which movement clearly starts, by erring on the side of caution.

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    That gif is from the very video you keep spamming us with.

    See post #55 above and explain why you are not addressing any of it.

    Find me a wind tunnel picture where air is moving a foot away in front of the object(let alone six feet away, where the actual movement actually starts!).
     
  8. Colonel K

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    If they had gone to the trouble of setting up a massive worldwide con trick, and a flag had moved in a breeze, why would they not edit it out or reshoot the scene?
     
  9. Betamax101

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    Not only that, but the camera actually zoomed in as it moved. The camera operator was the same guy on Apollo 15 / 16 / 17.
     
  10. Betamax101

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    I love the way you are reporting your spam shenanigans to the basketball fans at spurstalk:salute:.

    In the meantime, here is a better animated gif from the spammed video. It shows one continuous movement starting at about 6 feet and up to when he is passing by:-

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    So after all your crap about 1 foot, your own video shows you are being deceptive. That is six feet away, and anytime you are ready, answer all my questions and find me a picture of air movement more than a few inches in a wind tunnel.
     
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    You are being quite dishonest.

    No matter how much you try to lie about it any first grader watching this film can tell that the flag does NOT move until after the astronaut passed in front of it and his left side touched it.

    You have never presented a quantum speck of evidence to prove the landing was faked.

    That ends it and you know it
     
  12. Scott

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    You people haven't refuted the fact that this video shows that the flag started moving before he got close to touch it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0
    (1:12 time mark)

    All you do is try to draw attention away from it by dwelling on the initial movement when he was six feet away. All the viewers have seen your tactics on that one and continuous reiterations aren't going to sway anyone so let's see how you obfuscate this one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
    (18:40 time mark)

    Tell us why the Apollo flag moves faster than the math says it should move.
     
  13. Betamax101

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    It doesn't need refuting, it never did! All it needed was explaining. You have had your explanation ad nauseum and choose to pretend not to see it. Your repetition on this subject here there and everywhere is morally appalling.

    Nobody ever agrees with you. Not here or anywhere you spam. You simply have no argument.

    It is proven - the flag begins to move when he is 6 feet away at least and continues in one movement until he passes.

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    That gif is from the very video you keep spamming us with.

    Here is a better animated gif from the spammed video. It shows one continuous movement starting at about 6 feet and up to when he is passing by:-

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    So after all your crap about 1 foot, your own video shows you are being deceptive. That is six feet away, and anytime you are ready, answer all my questions and find me a picture of air movement more than a few inches in a wind tunnel.

    You are cornered, you have nothing. All you can do is repeat spam, ignore my requests and feign ignorance.

    It doesn't, his math is correct, but his deliberation on what we see is not. The flag is swinging well below the diagonal which is significantly less of a distance than the one he uses, but more to the point a loose fabric is a multi pivotal system. A very complicated one at that.

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    For argument's sake, the example above rotates across the diagonal and has been tilted vertically to demonstrate the multi pivots. The red lines are the direct pivots. As we see the whole flag swinging across this axis, rather than rippling, there is momentum interchange between the smaller pivot points and the larger ones. You are so gullible, that you automatically believe without question, any video you see on this hogwash!

    Now, you are behaving like a coward, as you do when you have nowhere to go. Answer my post properly!
     
  14. Scott

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    Here's a thread I started on this anomaly over at Bad Astronomy.
    http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?148701-Latest-Apollo-Hoax-Proof

    They were looking silly trying to obfuscate this anomaly so the moderator closed the thread and banned me. He said it was because I was a sock puppet but they knew who I was when I registered. I also see no reason for the moderator's closing the thread except for their wanting the thread to disappear onto page 2 as fast as possible so that fewer people would see it.

    I made this point in the above thread. When the flag is swinging at a very narrow angle, all of the differences between Steve's model and the real flag are so negligible that the difference in speed wouldn't be that drastic. Steve's video is another piece of proof that the moon missions were faked in a studio.

    Let's not forget that Betamax tried to obfuscate the clear proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked.

    (post #12)
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979


    I'll go ahead and repeat this one more time. This video shows that the flag started moving much faster than it was already moving when the astronaut was about one foot away from it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0
    (1:12 time mark)

    Betamax maintains that he brushed it with his elbow even though he wasn't close enough to brush it with his elbow when it started moving. All of his questions that don't deal with this are just a diversionary tactic because he's cornered.


    This analysis shows that the Apollo flag speed was consistent with its being in atmosphere.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
    (00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

    This one looks suspicious too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzk6H4voUGo

    All of this flag proof is overwhelming. It's all simply too clear to obfuscate.
     
  15. Betamax101

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    Which you were.

    I just explained to you above. You are out of your depth as always, so you just ignore it.

    No it doesn't. It proves how gullible and stubborn you are.

    Spam. It takes a profoundly vacuous mind to dismiss a flag spinning in water without billowing and flapping. It takes mind numbing blindness to dismiss a rotating piece of ice as a bubble. Your cable assessment involves the argument "I don't know what the hell things do in space, therefore my opinion must be right". Shape memory. No restriction on the cable in a vacuum and quite simply a normal tendency to assume its position at manufacture, wound circularly on a drum.

    Spam.

    Liar. I maintain he brushed it after he passed by.

    All my questions do deal with it and you can't answer them.


    Hogwash. Debunked and ignored by you.

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/apollo-17-flag.html

    I strongly suspect that all that remains is vertical "venetian blind" tatters. But the metal pole and top support rod remain and at least some of the fabric. Definitely, this would cast a shadow.

    You are a broken record. None of it is overwhelming.
     
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    Waiting.
     
  17. Scott

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    This is where you lose the debate. Calling the argument that has you cornered "Spam" doesn't get you off the hook. The video shows that the flag started moving faster than it had been moving when the astronaut was about a foot away.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0
    (1:12 time mark)

    Air made it move. Your saying that he might have brushed it with his arm when the astronaut was blocking the view doesn't change the fact that it had started moving faster than it had been when the astronaut wasn't blocking the view. You have an authoritative patronizing attitude when you make that claim but that claim is so lame that it would get you laughed out of the debating hall.


    Viewers:

    Please take the time to go to post #12 of this thread...
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979

    ...and examine the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked. If you don't have time to do so, please try not to be swayed by empty rhetoric and withhold judgement until you can look at the proof. It's incredibly clear that the Chinese spacewalk was faked.

    Here's an old discussion I had with Betamax on the Chinese spacewalk if anyone wants to check it out.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=190138&page=45&p=1062832858#post1062832858

    He can say some pretty lame things with an authoritative patronizing attitude.
     
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    And the spam continues unabated. This behaviour began as soon as I started debating this individual and his inability to respond to rebuttal continues.

    I will itemize things accordingly:-

    1. Jarrah White the so called grandson of the hoax, says unequivocally that the movement begins from 6 feet. See the screen print in post #66 above.

    2. From the spammed video, an animated gif showing the movement starting from 6 feet and one steady movement.

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    3. From post #66 above a picture of a car in a wind tunnel, showing deflection of a couple of inches. That is the way air behaves when pushed.

    4. Nowhere has this user responded to any of the questions properly.

    a/ Explain the lens flares - if you claim it was doctored, prove it with your own gif.

    b/ Find me a wind tunnel picture where air is moving a foot away in front of the object(let alone six feet away, where the actual movement actually starts!).

    c/ Explain why Jarrah White's flag doesn't move until he is level with it.

    d/ Explain why Jarrah White's flag billows as he goes by, but the Apollo 15 flag does not.

    e/ Explain why his bed sheet doesn't move as he walks by at less than a foot distance.

    f/ Give a detailed scientific explanation why kicked regolith striking the base didn't cause the movement.

    g/ Give a detailed explanation why ground vibration as he ran towards it didn't cause the movement.

    5. By way of diversion, he refers to the moronic claim that China faked their spacewalk. He cites moving cables as his "proof" and ignores the simple explanation of shape memory in weightless freefall.

    6. He claims a piece of misshapen ice, clearly rotating is a bubble.

    There is simply no way he can answer anything I have just written. He is totally cornered and knows it.

    His wall of spam has been addressed on my blog(including debunking the pitiful video of the Chinese space walk):-

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/
     
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    That´s all nonsense and all "anomalies" can be explained.
    Look at the flag. It doesn´t fly but is fixed on a horizontal bar. And can you see the hinge? The flag keeps waving because their is no air drag.
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    You're trying to muddy the waters. The point of the video is that the Apollo flag came to a stop in the same manner as the flag in atmosphere on earth did. Therefore, the Apollo flag was in atmosphere.
     
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    A succinct but accurate analysis.
     
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    Your waters are already muddy! Your conclusion is biased and you have avoided other far simpler explanations. Here is a small example of what you just did. A piece of bovine excrement falls to the surface the same way as a piece of chocolate cake, therefore the former is chocolate cake.

    It didn't come to a stop the same way. The astronaut had his hand on the pole, the Earth one did not. The Earth one is moving far quicker. The astronaut twisted it to start it, and gave a simple counter twist to stop it.

    The astronauts crossover during the Apollo 17 flag, making the use of wires a ludicrous claim. We now need to speed the film up to make the astronaut fall at Earth freefall speed when he does a small jump(shown in my video on this link):-

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/apollo-17-flag.html

    Conclusion:- Scott/Cosmored is wrong yet again and has no way to respond to my post.
     

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