Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

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  1. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

    There's no hoax, only uneducated fools who are unable to see past their delusion.
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    Who cares! Something else for you to ignorantly spam without assessing evidence wouldn't surprise me.

    Yet again you cowardly avoid responding to rebuttal. Pathetic and predictable.
     
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    Scott, you've seen Don Townsend's "evidence"......straight up, yes or no?

    Do you believe there was humanoid life on Mars?
     
  3. Scott

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    That does look quite like a bone but I'm no expert so I can't take a firm stand.

    I think the most likely explanation is that NASA faked the Mars missions...
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=10&p=1064263128#post1064263128

    ...and is now trying to muddy the waters.


    After the Apollo hoax...
    http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/347662-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

    ...lots of people started catching on so they tried to muddy the waters with this issue about Edgar Mitchell and the UFO's.
    https://www.google.es/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=edgar mitchell ufos
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=edgar+mitchel+ufo

    This draws attention away from the Apollo hoax issue and reinforces the idea that they really went to the moon.


    It's probably a picture of a real bone taken on earth for NASA's attempt at obfuscation. NASA also lost a lot of credibility when it took the stand that the Chinese spacewalk was real...
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979

    ...so I suppose the best thing they can do is try to create issues such as bones on Mars and Astronauts' insisting that the government knows there are aliens watching us to draw attention away from those issues.


    This video is probably one of NASA's attempts to muddy the waters.

    Secret Space - Best Documentary of the Ufo Evidence (HD)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfoVkd2V9GI

    Evidence for the Apollo hoax is presented in the video (1:07:08 time mark) but there are also some wacky theories about mile-long space creatures (1:25:15 time mark).

    That associates the Apollo hoax theory with wacky theories that most people dismiss so the Apollo hoax theory will get dismissed along with the UFO theories.
     
  4. Betamax101

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    You're no expert in anything related to this.

    That is the most moronic explanation.

    There was no hoax, only gullible easily led people "catch on". Those who can read easy to understand rebuttal and have no delusional fixation are quickly saved from the conspiracy goofballs.

    It's a rock on Mars.

    NASA lost no credibility. When the judge is you, that counts in reverse. Your main source of evidence comes from a pro-Apollo source, with the moronic caveat that he was got at for no reason to explain this alarming lack of credibility it gives to your idiotic test.

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

    Ridiculous claim. NASA doesn't need to "muddy" anything, least of all influence people like you. Stay ignorant, your capacity to be educated or absorb information is curtailed by delusion.

    That is evidence of stupidity.

    Apollo hoax theory is already wacky. Only the truly stubborn, totally devoid of normal discernment still cling to it.

    Once again, you cowardly avoid my posts in favour of answering an off topic question enabling you to fire your spam links out again.
     
  5. Betamax101

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    Waiting.
     
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    OF course it has been said time and time again.

    You have no evidence that Apollo or the Chinese mission or any other space mission was a hoax.

    All you do is post links to the same you tube videos which HAVE IRREFUTABLY been debunked and proven false.

    Of course you also refuse to answer questions.

    So I guess it would do no good to ask you how often a flag moves in ANY room when the door is opened and shut.

    That is because the answer is almost never but do not let that stand in your way
     
  7. Scott

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    The guy who pointed out the anomalies that prove the Chinese spacewalk was faked also says Apollo was real.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979


    Anti-establishment pundits say some strange things sometimes. Look at these anti-establishment pundits who say that 9/11 wasn't an inside job.*

    The Shame of Noam Chomsky & left gatekeepers: Zwicker (#3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrZ57XxYJU

    NAOMI KLEIN VS 911 TRUTH redux
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ-R-6k48qc

    Zinn on investigating 9/11
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxSRGgJ5gjY

    Amy Goodman questioned about 911
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXTlxT7gFGk

    Here's responsible scientist talking responsibly.

    Global Nuclear Coverup an interview with Leuren Moret
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buosgl6J3Kw#

    Here she is several years later looking like a wacko saying that the earthquake in Japan was caused by the US government.

    Scientist Leuren Moret - Japan earthquake and nuclear "accident" are tectonic nuclear warfare.m4v
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WxmeOqYtB0#ws


    I see a pattern. These people aren't morons so they obviously don't even believe what they're saying. I think these people have been threatened; the government would only have to threaten to arrange an "Accident" for some of their loved ones to make them play ball. I would do the same. I think we have to stop taking anti-establishment pundits seriously after they've been around a while as they can be gotten to. If some government goons pay a visit to an anti-establishment pundit and make him an offer he can't refuse, he or she will probably play ball. It shouldn't surprise us if an anti-establishment pundit talks logically about one issue and illogically on another.


    *
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=348380&p=1063729867#post1063729867
     
  8. Betamax101

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    Flushing your moronic credibility test away!

    Ya think!

    You see nothing but hoax crap.

    Except the bits that you believe in! How pathetic.

    All your critics have been got at, the most idiotic defense of all. Now answer my post, enough of your cowardly behaviour. Try not to make the claim that you've already answered it, because your simplistic arm waving responses don't count.
     
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    Don says it "clearly is a bone".

    Are you saying a person CAN be SKEPTICAL of one person's subjective viewpoint....even as it applies to a "conspiracy and cover-up by NASA"????
     
  10. Scott

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    This is being talked about on some other threads so I'm going to post this to make something clear. The disagreement between the hoax-believers and the pro-Apollo posters on this flag issue boils down to this.


    Concerning the movement of the flag at the 2:36 time mark of this video...

    "Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

    ...the hoax-believers maintain that these videos below show that the flag had started moving before the astronaut got close enough to touch it; therefore air made it move. The pro-Apollo posters maintain that the videos don't show that the flag had started moving before he got close enough to touch it and it moved because he had touched it.

    Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg

    The flag that moved
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0


    The viewers can look at the evidence and decide for themselves.
     
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    (from post #105)
    He's referring to the two dots on the third and fifth stripes from the top of the flag.

    Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg

    Start watching at the 00:54 time mark. The flag clearly starts moving before he got close enough to touch it. Those two dots don't change anything.


    I dealt with this in post #27.


    I dealt with this in post #44.


    Nothing else you've said makes that movement go away. This anomaly is too clear to obfuscate. I think your success rate in making the viewers think that air didn't make the flag move is close to zero.


    Everybody please look at post #12.
     
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    You have never dealt with any of these statements by others. You only spam the same old repetitive posts which have been debunked.

    His success rate is 100% yours is zero.

    The anomalies prove nothing yet you consistently claim they do. The evidence conclusively proves your entire fantasy is wrong and silly.
     
  14. Betamax101

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    I see the wording on the page, I see how it explains about the movement being a causation of the camera bloom. I see the two lens flares inexplicably moving. What I don't see is why this persistent person fails to understand this concept or address it.

    How can the lens flares move in relation to a fixed picture?


    No you did not. You came out with obfuscating nonsense. I addressed it in post #28. You had no meaningful reply to it.

    That is a spammed repeat. I listed a so far unanswered post and followed it up. Posts #46 #48 #49.


    And the usual spam auto response. The viewers you refer to agree with me, not you.

    When somebody absent of integrity is the judge of my "credibility", I shan't lose any sleep. You seem oblivious to criticism and explanations about anything. The movements in your spammed post 12 are caused by shape memory, a force that allows even gentle tendency of a wound cable to assume that position unrestricted in a vacuum and weightless.

    Your missing response is most telling.
     
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    (from post #28)
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=3&p=1064042228#post1064042228
    In your video the pole moves.

    The Apollo 15 flag waving mystery - part 5
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4gbMT-Zs2Y


    In Jarrah's video the pole doesn't move.

    Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg


    In this video the pole doesn't move.

    Apollo 15 flag waving
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y


    Therefore, you doctored the video.


    You know you were checkmated on this one a long time ago.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-...20-1969-sir-questions-sir-12.html#post4767755


    This flag anomaly and the anomalies in the Chinese spacewalk are simply too clear to obfuscate. As I've said before, there's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry becomes ineffective. You might as well try to convince the viewers that a picture of a chicken is really a picture of a pig.


    The Black Knight will return.

    Monty Python-The Black Knight
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4
     
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    Yes that is correct.

    Yes it does. Jarrah doesn't slow it down, he doesn't zoom in and doesn't do frame grabs to show it. If you zoom the windows up to custom 500% and watch the last 30 seconds, it shows the left edge of the flag moving. He obscures the pole and his first frame jumps were too small!

    Ditto my last comment.

    Pathetic observation. Therefore the video is running too quick to see it. Anyone can download the video, take isolated frames and put them next to each other to do this. You are too much of a coward to do this.

    The flagpole moves, I didn't doctor it. It may be something you and your hoax cronies do, but I tend to rely on the truth.

    The rest of your post is spam. Once again you avoid the posts #46 #48 #49 - checkmate you say? You don't actually have any pieces and don't know how to play.
     
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    Putting the video on full screen is enough.

    Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg


    Anyone who actually does this and looks at it will see that what you're saying simply isn't so. What does a truther do with a Black Knight that won't stop jumping up and down screaming that a picture of a chicken is really a picture of a pig? All the info is in post #1 so he can't bury it. I might as well take a long break.
     
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    You lie for two reasons. One Jarrah White runs the sequence and obscures the flagpole(his first sequence is too short), secondly, the left edge of the flag clearly moves right.

    The rest of your post is more Black Knight spam. I challenge you to download the video take frame grabs from the moment he enters the video to just before he crosses the flagpole. You will not do this, you will claim you can't. So ask someone who can.

    The forum await your "undoctored" proof - the forum knows it will never arrive, just as you fail to respond to major points in the 3 posts you keep avoiding.
     
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    Do you have a link to undoctored footage of it?
     
  20. Scott

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    Half the links in your wall of spam are dead. You don't care about debunks or incorrect references, you simply employ the tactic of slinging enough crap at something and hoping some sticks.

    Summarising that video:- Jarrah White assumes that because a reference to a ruined Soviet flag means that the nylon on the Apollo flags would have completely disintegrated. To a large extent it would, but the strands left would cast a visible shadow. It's about 1 or 2 pixels of indefinite dark.

    That's it. To suggest that video amounts to anything more than subjective drivel is a lie.
     
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    The truther argument is that the picture you refer to is bogus so it doesn't matter how many pixels are in it. How could the Apollo flags survive well enough to cast a shadow if the Soviet flags disintigrated after a year?

    Moonfaker: LRO, Flag or no Flag?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRXretl0amQ
     
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    None of your claims are even remotely proven. You don't get to dismiss thousands of pictures because you don't understand how they could not have been faked.

    Who says the soviet flag completely disintegrated? How is the pattern of exposure in orbit the same as on the Moon? Who said the fabric was the same? What experiments have you done on Nylon flag resilience to heat changes?

    You are useless.
     
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    You're talking as if you hadn't watched this video.

    Moonfaker: LRO, Flag or no Flag?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRXretl0amQ


    The viewers that have watched it know the answers to your questions are in the video. What do you expect to accomplish with this tactic?
     
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    SPAM! Answer my questions! Do you not understand how the atmosphere that the orbital craft goes through has an effect? The ozone? Are you that blinkered by Jarrah White that you are incapable of critical thinking?

    My tactic is to get you to start debating properly instead of being a spammer with brainless responses.
     

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