Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    You pathetic, pathetic person. The reply above can be applied to every one of your posts. So you "just noticed" this two year old video from the liar Jarrah White. The kind of idiot who rubs a balloon against his head to simulate static electricity in a vacuum, or jumps up and down in a cardboard box full of the wrong lunar simulant!
     
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    Part two addresses much of what you're asking.

    I drifted away from this thread because the flag's being in atmosphere has already been proven by the fact that the flag had already started moving before the astronaut got close enough to touch it.

    Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg

    Whether the flag deteriorated is a moot point.

    You kept tap dancing around this because you couldn't obfuscate it.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=3&p=1064036189#post1064036189

    The viewers have seen that. You've pretty much lost this one and your not recognizing that really doesn't mean much.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=403884&page=2&p=1064900819#post1064900819
     
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    It is off topic crap and no it does not!

    You got your ass kicked and you cowardly run away from numerous threads. You haven't even answered the OP on my rebuttal thread!
     
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    The incessant spamming continues. Your argument is basically bare assertion - already answered dozens of times and ignored every time.
     
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    who cares. astronomers are using reflectors left on the moon, for calibration.
     
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    Now he just spams his response that the Russians placed their unmanned ones there.

    What he fails to do always, is offer a scrap of proof that the necessary teams of people needed to do this left some evidence. We are talking about very big rockets, launch windows, a design team, a maintenance and construction team, a transit support team and a team to perform the alignments. This to be done at the same time as the 3 Apollo missions, because that was when the laser reflectors were in operation.

    In fact, there is not one single piece of direct evidence of any kind that shows the missions were faked.
     
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    they had been placed there by Apollo astronauts.

     
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    That's one scenario. Another is that one of the Surveyor landers wasn't like what the government told us. It may have been bigger with the adjustable reflectors attached. Are you saying that reflectors on the moon are proof that there were people on the moon?


    I beg to differ.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/347662-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html
     
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    farside.jpg

    What else can I say.
     
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    yes, the reflectors being used were placed there by the Apollo missions, astronauts.
     
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    You have offered no proof whatsoever that they were placed there unmanned. In fact you are so dumb that you don't even understand how orbital trajectories work. The Surveyor program didn't go anywhere near the 3 landing sites where reflectors reside.

    I don't believe you. You know the missions were not faked, this is some perverse game or you have some financial motive for posting this repetitious hogwash.
     
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    Spam links removed.

    Let the record show the utter dishonesty and hypocrisy exhibited by this person who claims to be a "truth seeker"/"truther". This has to be one of the most blatant cop outs you can get. Let's detail exactly what this person is doing:-

    He creates an "objectivity" test that involves whether somebody better qualified is indeed correct about a completely irrelevant subject, then if anybody agrees with that person they fail his idiotic test. That on its own is dishonest. Debate and disagreement are stand alone merits that are fundamental to every tenet of society. If there is a valid reason to take a belief then to label it as discredit worthy is ridiculous. In fact conspiracy theories in general take this very matter to the upper limit of acceptable behaviour, with its members showing the mental acuity one associates with extremely gullible and easily led members of the public.

    Once established as his yard stick, he then proceeds to dismiss copious amounts of valid evidence based entirely on whether that person "fails" his test. Again a truly idiotic and illogical thing to do. It labels an entire testimony from a person as inadmissible purely to satisfy the blatant disregard for the truth. This from a supposed "truth seeker"!

    Notwithstanding that somebody better qualified to give an opinion on his strawman, has a website that tears his stupid argument to pieces, he also manages to apply that same maxim to everyone else who also does the same thing.

    Finally, videos clearly showing a dishonesty far, far in excess of simply disagreeing with his biased and inaccurate "objectivity" test are blatantly ignored because of it!!

    The videos show a film maker deliberately falsifying evidence, deliberately making false claims, cherry picking tiny segments and applying global changes that are dishonest, telling outright lies and clearly very poor research. But this is ok, because he refuses to watch it.

    Your attitude and behaviour disgust me.
     
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    astronomers are using reflectors left on the moon, for calibration. they have to find them each time. they use telescopes for that.
     
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    I want to add this anomaly because it has to do with air on the moon.

    Apollo 15 Rover Traverse Issue



    It gets really clear that the said rover footage was filmed on earth at the 3:13 time mark as the flaps on the rover are moving the way they would move in air.
     
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    Are you actually for real? In what crazy world do you get miles and miles of evenly lit terrain with single shadows, jet black sky in every direction and mountains that never get any nearer. One other really telling point is where the Rover changes direction across Sun and the phase angle of the surface changes dramatically.

    That film footage proves they were on the Moon. As for the "flaps", these are Kapton layered thermal protectors. Their natural position is not vertical, it is as shown in this picture:
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    Do you never tire of getting taken in by idiotic and inaccurate claims? Also, what crazy world do you live in where air would hold things up against gravity!
     
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    Correction I received from email:
    Actually, that is not strictly accurate. The position shown in that picture is where the fold has worked its way around the shaft and made the normally vertical thermal protector more horizontal. It also has the added effect of making it even more stiffer when it is jostled up during transit, as the curve of the fabric is now more at 45 degrees. On the Lunar Grand prix footage for Apollo 16, the protector remains always in the vertical position.
     
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    Yes apollo left retro reflectors on the moon which have been in use for years.

    It is irrefutable and crushing proof that all the idiots who deny we went to the moon are fools with no evidence of their own
     
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    Indeed it is. I think we both know that the cut and paste reply concerns the unmanned Soviet reflectors. What will be missing from the spammed response will be the presence of any evidence that the USA did that. There will be no paper trails, no design records, no testing records, flight records, telemetry, flight support or any single solitary witness report from anyone who would have done such a thing.
     
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    Agreed. Not to mention the two biggest questions:
    1) Why would the US do this?
    2) Why would all of the world's technological nations, including the USSR and the PRC, go along with this "conspiracy"?
     
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    It's obvious. If you don't believe the op then you probably don't believe in the Easter Bunny.
     
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    You annoying person. I told you what the issue was, you ignore it and repost your multi forum spammed post again.
    Actually, that is not strictly accurate. The position shown in that picture is where the fold has worked its way around the shaft and made the normally vertical thermal protector more horizontal. It also has the added effect of making it even more stiffer when it is jostled up during transit, as the curve of the fabric is now more at 45 degrees. On the Lunar Grand prix footage for Apollo 16, the protector remains always in the vertical position.

    Also, what crazy world do you live in where air would hold things up against gravity!

    Ridiculous. You cite an idiotic web page using modern image editors, in a ludicrous and obviously bogus attempt to explain 20 minutes of cine film??

    Try again.
     
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    "They" faked 911.
    "They" killed Lady Diana.
    "They" faked the entire Apollo moon program.
    And now we see a resurrection of the flat earth beliefs.
    Maybe there is no moon, why can't that be a fake too?
     
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    Serious truthers who believe that 9/11 was an inside job and that the Apollo moon missions were faked don't believe the earth is flat. I think that associating 9/11 truthers and Apollo hoax-believers with the flat earth theory was thought up by some public-relations agency to discredit truthers.


    This video deals with that issue.

    provocateurs,shills and disinfo agents
     
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    That discounts you completely. You are somebody who is incapable of coherent debate. You have no capacity to recognise your mistakes, nonsensical claims or to concede any error.

    Your thoughts are like your "facts" - of no value to anyone.
     

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