Al Jazeera reporter killed during Israeli raid in West Bank

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  1. chris155au

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    International investigation? CNN is not an international body.

    "Israeli forces were behind the fatal shooting of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in the West Bank -
    not indiscriminate Palestinian firing - the UN human rights office, OHCHR, ALLEGED on Friday."
    https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/06/1121252
     
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    1) you dragged it in, so you go source it.
    2) Israel banned the import of cement and steel. You know, the stuff to build bom shelters. Remember.
    That's how I conclude that Israel has a policy that not 1 child is able to go to a bomb shelter.


    And you are conceding that Israel sends it's kids across the border into a to a war zone as a human shield.
    While your excuse about some children who work on tunnels, is remains to be a war crime to punish them all.


    Do note. They build them tunnels, so they can import concrete/steel to fix the civilian infrastructure that Israel destroyed on purpose.
     
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    So what that it's not. You are not explaining why this matters.
    You are still just attacking the messenger, and so conceding to the message.

    And?
    This is what the OHCHR says: we find that the shots that killed Abu Akleh came from Israeli Security Forces and not from indiscriminate firing by armed Palestinians.

    It's rather straight forward. And you are conceding to this, and this is what matters.
     
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    Correct statement re cement
    Wrong conclusion re kids in shelters
    Cement was being used to build tunnels and harden Hamas militry infrastructure.

    Hamas tunnels, built with rebar, concrete, metal, electrical conduit and wiring.
    WHY DIDN'T HAMAS BUILD BOMB SHELTERS FOR THEIR CHILDREN INSTEAD ?
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    45 journalists have been killed this year. Can you name them, or just the one?
     
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    Well, how can it be an INTERNATIONAL investigation if CNN is not INTERNATIONAL?

    This makes zero sense.

    And this is what its parent organisation says, taking a more cautious approach:

    "Israeli forces were behind the fatal shooting of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in the West Bank - not indiscriminate Palestinian firing - the UN human rights office, OHCHR,
    ALLEGED on Friday."
     
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    You are conceding that you made up that the missiles are stored in living rooms / that Israel send it's kids across the border to be a human shield for Israel / That the IDF build their HQ in the middle of a massive city, being a legit target, knowing their opponents can't aim very well.

    And building a little tunnel with a thin wall is one thing. That can make a profit. Building bom shelters with thick walls and roofs with hard to get materials for 2 million people, I dunno how you think such a thing is possible. And so it stands that Israel, by banning the goods like cement prohibits children in Gaza to be in bomb shelters. Israel who kills far more children than a terrorist organization. It's all a sham that they avoid killing them.

    It's just like Israel murdered that reporter. It flat out refuses to do a criminal inquiry while 6 reports now claim that Israel murdered a reporter.
    Israel would have gone apesh*t if an Israeli got murdered like that, hunting around for the murderer across their border if needed.
    We all know it.
     
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    you're deflecting.
     
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    CNN isn't international? WUT? lol
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN
    Globally, CNN programming has aired through CNN International, seen by viewers in over 212 countries and territories

    you are conceding to
    "we find that the shots that killed Abu Akleh came from Israeli Security Forces and not from indiscriminate firing by armed Palestinians."

    Since you flat out deleted it from my post in your last reply.


    It makes perfect sense.
    There are 6 international independent non biased organizations who all conclude Israel killed the reporter.
    And you delete their opinion from my post where you see fit while attack the organization itself.
    That's attacking the messenger, as a deflecting tactic, so you get to ignore the message.
    And you want to ignore the message, because you can't dispute it.


    And I'm here to keep reminding you, that you have failed to dispute the accusations of Israel murdering a reporter.
    No source, no link proving it must have happened an other way....
     
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  10. chris155au

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    Yes, they "FIND" just like CNN - only the OHCHR have alot more international significance than CNN. They do not say that they have criminal proof. The UN (which is above the OHCHR) says that it was ALLEGED. Simple.
     
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    It's not the UN in your link, its the UN human rights office. And OHCHR means Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights.
    The UN human rights office and the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights are one and the same.
    /facepalm

    And the spokesperson of it all stated: we find that the shots that killed Abu Akleh came from Israeli Security Forces and not from indiscriminate firing by armed Palestinians.
    There is nothing being alleged in that sentence. It's rather brutally accusing Israel. All straight up.


    You've conceded to this by not being able to dispute it.
    You've now only went as far as to downplayed how important the OHCHR is, just like you downplayed CNN.
    But the fact remains... you've conceded to their findings, by not being able to dispute it.
     
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    And you are deflecting too. Are you concerned for
    a - journalists
    b - jews
     
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    The best bomb shelter for Hamas is:
    DON'T ATTACK ISRAEL

    Hamas can't send kids over the border 'cos there's a big security fence - they have tried digging underneath it too. Same as Lebanon.
    IDF HQ is no target to Islamists - shopping malls, schools, buses and other soft targets are.
    Quote - :Israel would have gone apesh*t if an Israeli got murdered like that" Some NINETEEN ISRAELIS MURDERED IN ONE MONTH BY HAMAS.
     
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    Look again. You will see that it's un.org:
     
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    Sure they have criminal proof .. but it matters not .. so you can spare the desperate attempt to apologize for Israel targeting journalists.. Did you think this was the first time ? "Oh Israel would never do such a thing" .. s that it mate . Guilty .. a rogue state .. needs to be leashed .. for the benefit of all.
     
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    Another ridiculous post -- dripping with "Do as we say - Not as we Do" mantra .. So the best thing for Ukraine to do .. is just let Russia take the land and oppress the people .. Dont attack Russian Soldiers .. is that it ? :)
     
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    I assume that you meant to say: sure they DON'T have criminal proof .. but it matters not...
     
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    Your assumption is wrong but, what part of "it matters not" - are you having trouble understanding ? That Israel targets Journalists has already been established .. don't need this latest example to tip the scales .. thus .. your claim to the contrary is false.
     
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    You still are conceding that you made up that the missiles are stored in living rooms / that Israel send it's kids across the border to be a human shield for Israel / That the IDF build their HQ in the middle of a massive city, being a legit target, knowing their opponents can't aim very well.

    While you now toss in that you shouldn't attack Israel.
    Problem is, that Israel is violating international law by going forth with ethnic cleansing across their borders and colonizing other peoples land... while they refuse +700,000 civilians and their descendants to return home because Israel thieved their real estate.

    Your demand that the victims of all that may not lift a finger against this, is utterly ridiculous.
    Look at them Ukrainians go against Russia. Russia who stole the Crimea just like Israel thieved East-Jerusalem.
     
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    So what. You're not putting a dent into that the UN human rights office and the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights are one and the same. You're just whining that a UN organization got their site at the UN. lol

    And since you are ignoring it again, I take it you have conceded that these international organizations have proven that Israel killed the reporter. You again showed you got nothing to debunk their conclusion.
     
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    I didn't make any comment about the website. The UN is the parent organisation of the OHCHR. Do you acknowledge that?
     
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    you're making no argument.

    While you failed to dispute the accusations of Israel murdering a reporter.
    No source, no link proving it must have happened an other way....
    So I can only judge that you are conceding to that Israel killed the reporter.
     
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    The UN is the parent organisation of the OHCHR! The UN says "ALLEGED." Simple!
     
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    How the hell do you know that?
     
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    So let me ask you this: last year Hamas fired 4,600 missiles into Israel.
    WHERE WERE 4,600 MISSILES STORED IF HAMAS COULDN'T PUT THEM INTO A WEAPONS DEPOT?
     

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