Alabama woman charged in her unborn baby’s death, cops say another woman pulled trigger

hopefully they will see the light and not go forward with this, but we will see

 

this woudl be abuse of the law, even if she was responsible for the abortion of her own fetus, that would not be manslaughter

 

That's a different scenario.

 

yes, manslaughter is a different scenario then what happened in this case, this was not a case of manslaughter

 

Take the matter up with the united states federal government. Fifteen years ago legislation was introduced, dubbed the unborn victims of violence act, classifying the killing of a pregnant individual as a double homicide as the fetus constitutes a victim of the killing as well.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120106071132/http://nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/UVVAEnrolled.html

The victim in this particular case, the fetus, was killed as a direct result of the actions of the mother, who decided to engage in the illegal assault of an innocent third party, who utilized deadly force in self defense. As a result the fetus was killed, thus making the mother directly responsible, which is manslaughter.

 

Naturally, because guessing is easy. I'm guessing if someone is carrying a gun, it's easy to bring it into play.

 

don't have too, if I was on a jury I would vote not guilty in this case as this is not a manslaughter case

 

Most men will not need a gun in the course of their lives, but the ones who do will need them very badly.
Wyatt Earp.

The vast majority of people carrying firearms never use them other than at the range.

 

Maybe, but here we are......again.

 

What do you mean? We are in a good place. I don't mind being here.

This woman's choice to start and pursue a fight with an armed woman willing to protect herself was tragic. All the blame rests with her.

 

Really? Unbelievable. That is some WTF logic there and I don't think this is going to end the way you think it will.

 

Maybe not, i already stated that i gave too little information to make a good judgment.

But there is nothing wrong with shooting someone who is attacking you.
And if you are in danger you should shoot center mass. Heart and lungs are your target.

 

Yes there is.

 

Explain precisely what is wrong with such. What exactly is "wrong" with deadly force being deployed in response to being subjected to criminal assault?

 

Why, to what point. The only answer you will accept is deadly force. You have already said so. The question you should ask yourself is "Is that the only solution?" Just taking out a gun and shooting. There were other people present that could have controlled the fight. Did you know the bullet was shot at the ground and ricocheted? No, because she should have shot "center mass". Brilliant.

 

Why is it like that? It seems quite ... ahem ... feral. Unusually so. Is there something there that attracts angry fat trailer peeps, or does the place turn regular folk into angry fat trailer peeps?

 

Well, you know consequences are for grown ups. Responsibility is no fun.

 

They're the two states I would NEVER visit, where I to have the privilege of traveling to America. Florida would be avoided due to the climate and landscape (or rather, lack of landscape), and California would be avoided due to its people and politics.

 

I've read one or two Sci Fi novels in which an ideological movement (religious fundies, Progressives or whatever .. it's all the same mechanism, conservatism + authoritarianism) gains unlimited political power. It is terrifying stuff.

 

It is a simple fact of reality that there are situations for which deadly force is not only warranted, but also necessary. Such has been the case long before anyone present was born, such will remain the case long after humanity has ceased and the animal kingdom has reclaimed the planet for itself.

And yet they did not do anything to actually prevent the assault. They did not even make the attempt at putting an end to it. Anyone else who was present simply stood back and allowed the assault to take place and continue unimpeded. Therefore their presence makes no meaningful difference.

Show the citation being relied on by yourself that proves the shot was indeed a ricochet.

 

The concept of unlimited political power should prove as terrifying to absolutely everyone, regardless of which party may hold that power.

 

No there isn't you absolutely have the right to defend your own life with deadly force..

 

Agree 100%. To imagine that your own politic is so perfect that democracy can be dispensed with, is a very good indicator that you're a closet totalitarian.

 

That is true.....now, how does it apply here.

I have not read anything that backs this claim. In fact, just the opposite.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...s-blame/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.668ee8e62014
“Ebony was afraid for her life and reached in her purse for the gun,” her mother said, adding that her daughter had a license to carry the weapon. “She tried to fire a warning shot to get away from her.”

But the shot — which Jemison’s mother says was aimed at the ground — ricocheted into Jones. Earka Jemison told The Post that her daughter received threats after the indictment.

 

Ok, so you, your wife and I all work together. You think your wife and I have something going on on the side. You see me on the street and pull over and get out of your car yelling at me and have no problem if I just take out a gun....and shoot you. You think that's OK. I'm within my rights because that's the situation we're talking about.