Alec Baldwin kills one,inures another with Prop Gun on set.

Sammy Davis Jr was said to be one of the fastest guns in Hollywood. He also was Jewish if that matters.

 

You think that will prevent accidents?? One cannot certify against the "human factor)

Why no just keep all dangerous material like that off the movie set?? It does not belong there.

 

Was anyone ever shot on a Roy Rogers set? Not even the bad guys as I recall, except in the hand of course.

 

So??? Is that supposed to be impressive??

Hollywood is story telling.......and not always based on the real world.

 

Has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. When actors are "acting" on a set, they are flinging guns around for entertainment not self defense. As in the Baldwin case, they were very flippant as to how they handled these guns on the movie set. It is not like a controlled gun range where safety is strictly enforced and you don't abide you are removed....pronto!

 

Dangerous material as in live rounds? I agree completely!

 

A very good point. I can already see, reading that thread, suggestions for the Gun owner to be responsible.

Yes it sends a dangerous message. Unfortunately the most publicised cases are the ones where lite-justice prevails.

 

It wasn't a "prop gun." A prop gun is a gun which is incapable of firing a live round. Plus it fires a specific kind of blank designed specifically for the entertainment industry.

 

Indeed. Baldwin used a gun with live ammunition. Results : One dead and one inured. Heard that it was the same bullet........but the investigation should verify if that is the case.

Regardless: It is a human tragedy. affecting many

 

The message I see is this: "be careful with guns, or someone can get killed".

I don't see how it could possibly send the message the other poster mentioned (that it encourages irresponsibility). NOBODY wants to accidentally kill someone. Its a nightmare scenario.

Yes, that should be the assumption. Its dangerous to put a gun in their hand and assume they know everything about guns and gun safety. Military NEVER assumes such thing in basic training.

 

I just thought of something this morning that may influence opinions on who is responsible for the Baldwin shooting. We have become a society based on services—outsourcing almost all responsibility to others from food supply to child care. Perhaps the idea we can hire a third party to take our responsibility for personal liability in firearm safety is just an outgrowth of our behaviors in other areas of life.

Does that make sense or am I way off?

 

So, it looks like the gun was not supposed to be loaded with blanks, but with dummy rounds aka "look-alike" rounds, which look just like real rounds but do not contain any gun powder or functioning primer. This kind of scenario is not something that can happen in a place other than a movie set. You can check the gun, but since it is supposed to contain real looking bullets, the checking will only confirm the fact.


'Rust' assistant director admits he didn't check all rounds in gun before fatal shooting
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...n-before-fatal-shooting/ar-AAQ1Z1R?li=BBnb7Kz
According to the affidavit, first assistant director Dave Halls told investigators that he did not check all the rounds in the gun before it was handed to actor and producer Alec Baldwin — a major breach of safety protocol.

Dummy rounds, which are sometimes used on sets, are designed to look like real bullets but contain no gunpowder. They can be used in close-up shots for effect.

According to a crew member, who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak on record, the shot being rehearsed at the time of the shooting was intended to be a close-up that would show Baldwin's hand and holster and look down the barrel of the revolver.

Dummy rounds can be used in shots where the camera is pointed down the barrel of a gun, because they appear almost identical to a real bullet. But dummies typically have a small hole drilled into them or there is an indentation showing that the primer at the rear of the casing has been punched and is inert.

 

The point I was agreeing to most of all is that one set of laws (consequences) for one group of people and one set for another people could set a dangerous precedent.

 

That would be one thing a person would learn if they had NRA or NRA certified training.

That is one HUGE rule in NRA certified training. Live ammunition is not allowed in classroom settings or anywhere else the engagement of appropriate targets isn’t imminent.

 

Well it kind of makes sense because basically that's what has happened here. Except that it will end up being a grey no-mans land where nobody is actually held fully responsibility.

The type of outsourcing you speak about is already present, for example, in the medical system with indemnity insurance. It's not quite so clear cut, but it must be reassuring for surgeons to know that if they make a mistake they effectively can't be sued. (Although criminal negligence is another matter. I.e., turning up to work drunk or something like that).

 

There is only one set of law, and fortunately the law is not blind to circumstances. All incidents are investigated and then a determination is made based on what actually happened. Sometimes person A is liable, and sometimes its person B, sometimes its both, and sometimes no one is.

 

From the 30's to mid 60's western movies were popular and cowboys and Indians dominated the screen, Lots of shooting in those movies for decades and yet the first accident of this kind I can remember hearing about was in a kungfu movie. Go figure

 

It's a can of worms topic but in practice I would remind you what you surely already knew - that big pockets and expensive lawyers and fame can purchase alternative justice.

I am betting there have been behind the scenes conversations to 'tweak' outcomes in this case already.

 

From the 30's to the 60's they had real, Genuine American men, running the show.

 

The Crow, where Bandon Lee died, was not a Kung Fu movie. Brandon Lee's father was a famous Kung Fun chap, but the movie where his son died was not about Kung Fu.

These days they want to make movies look as realistic as possible, and they do as far as using dummy look-alike bullets.

 

Charges have not been filed, so lawyers are not involved at this point, and money cannot prevent the prosecutor from pressing charges. They will not press charges unless they think they have a case.

 

Baldwin is a well known Democrat as are too many prosecutors. Baldwin will get away with manslaughter.

 

Baldwin clearly shot her with a genuine working gun.

 

Accidents were quite common in the old days, and life expectancy in US was less than 60.

Do you know why many of the most famous westerns were called "spaghetti westerns" and who Sergio Leone was?

Eeehhh.......yes......it sure as heck was not a squirt gun.

Yes, of course, its partisan conspiracy like everything else in your world.

 

Yes. If Billy Bob paid his cousin Joe Bob to smith a weapon for him and when Joe gives Billy the gun back and says it’s unloaded, if Billy then points the gun at his other cousin Bobbie Joe and blows her to eternity, Billy is headed for the Pokey. No question.