Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez misquoted the U.S. Constitution while threatening to run for president

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    Take that up with SCOTUS, Wildjoker5. Most of the changes were made by SCOTUS.
     
  2. JakeStarkey

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    I agree with you on that. But there are some laws that have also been passed by the congress and POTUS. Example being the war on drugs, and Obamacare. Neither of which, in my mind, are constitutional for the federal government to mandate or govern.
     
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    You posted that just today. Nobody cares what the Constitution says because it says whatever voters, Congress & SCOTUS says it does. Are you walking that back?
     
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    Just read the document. It is the law. Who gets to decide what parts to ignore? You don't have to be a "fringe" character to be able to read English. That is common sense. OK, if that is "strict" in your mind, I'm OK with that. Call it strict. If you want to loosen the literal reading of the law, that can go either way. We could convict you of driving at 35 mph in a 40 mph zone, or we would let you off for doing 45. Fairness means we read the law as written and apply it as it is written. If we do not like the outcome, the remedy is to change the law or amend the Constitution. But if you want to abandon the rule of law for the rule of men, you are abandoning the wisdom of thousands of years. You get your case decided by Judge Bumpkin who ate a bad bagel this morning and can decide any damn thing he wants.
     
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    I hope she’s not a lesbian

    That would be such a waste
     
  8. JakeStarkey

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    You are misdirecting, which is nothing new. You want to be ruled by men who are more than 200 years dead; that is stupidity squared. What is true and blue is that strict construction of the Constitution does not control our amendment making process or our SCOTUS decisions. Or will you walk that back. :roflol: Keep writing, John.
     
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    1. Anyone meeting the requirements of the Constitution for running for President has the right to run. They would have to win the nomination of their party first, and then the general election, to become President.
    2. No. The only way to do that would be a Constitutional amendment, which is extremely difficult to pass. It won't happen. She's now 29 years old, and the Constitution requires a President to be 35. So, she has 6 years to go to become eligible. She'll become eligible in 2024.
    3. Based on what I've seen of her on news & Youtube, I'm impressed with her, and would enthusiastically vote for her given the opportunity. :)
     
  10. JakeStarkey

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    And for silly 'strict constructionists' to ponder: "Constitutional scholar John Hart Ely believed that "strict constructionism" is not really a philosophy of law or a theory of interpretation, but a coded label for judicial decisions popular with a particular political party.[10]

    In law, strictly literal interpretations of statutes can lead one to logically deduce absurdities, and the doctrine of absurdity is that commonsense interpretations should be used in such cases, rather than literal reading of a law or of original intent. The absurdity doctrine is a doctrine in legal theory, also known as "scrivener's error exception"; in which American courts have interpreted statutes contrary to their plain meaning in order to avoid absurd legal conclusions.[11][12][13] It has been described as follows:[14]

    The common sense of man approves the judgment mentioned by Puffendorf [sic], that the Bolognian law which enacted "that whoever drew blood in the streets should be punished with the utmost severity", did not extend to the surgeon who opened the vein of a person that fell down in the street in a fit. The same common sense accepts the ruling, cited by Plowden, that the statute of 1st Edward II, which enacts that a prisoner who breaks prison shall be guilty of a felony, does not extend to a prisoner who breaks out when the prison is on fire – "for he is not to be hanged because he would not stay to be burnt".[15]"

    The point above is that strict constructionists avoid common sense.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_constructionism
     
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    What's wrong with that? Most of our great leaders in Europe are socialists.
     
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    If pointing out exactly what you said and then contradicted a few posts latter is "misdirecting." OK. Guilty. LOL. You are a hoot. ;)
     
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    You misinterpreted directly what I said, and you were corrected in #85, John. Strict Constructionism is the lazy mind's theory of constitutional interpretation.
     
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    They would not be considered great leaders in America
     
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    Its a dated ideology of failure.
     
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    In other words, things mean what they ought to mean.

    Feelz based.
     
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    I disagree. If you consider the very robust, successful economic societies of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, France, England (to some degree), Germany, and others in W Europe, I'd say socialism, and particularly Democratic Socialism have been very successful. If, like so many Americans, you regard the former Soviet Union & China, Cuba & Venezuela as examples of "failed socialist states," then I disagree. They were failed communist states--which always claimed the title "socialist" because they knew it connected them with a system that not only worked, but showed compassion for the population--which communism never did.
     
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    You cite smaller, ethnically homogeneous states that don't have to fund a national defense.

    Many of them would describe themselves as capitalist.

    Socialism always fails, and always leads to dead bodies.
     
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    LOL, your own post destroyed your entire arguement.
     
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    If we don't regulate capitalism more in America, than democratic socialism is inevitably in our future to come.

    Posters like Battle3, who does not even understand basic political and economic and cultural terms, will make it inevitable.
     
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    Sorry your ideology lost.
     
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    maybe we should update and just let people with a positive net worth vote. Or even better why not just charge a fee for each vote cast with no limit to the number of votes per person.
     
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    And why do you think that Democratic Socialism would be worse that the syatem of oligarchic capitalism that we currently have.
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    That answer is self evident, CourtJester. Look at the level of living for all the cultures of western Europe. They live longer, more healthily, and for cheaper.
     
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    Written for the socialist aka communist libs libs like Cortez.
    Obama Money
     

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