Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift

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  1. Bluesguy

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    How sad for our culture, men and women alike and especially for our children. The nuclear family has been a cornerstone of the advancement of our species and or cultures and societies. We know our children do best in that nuclear family and I think much of what we see in the deterioration of our civil norms is effect by this turn in what is IMHO the wrong direction.

    Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift
    An increasing number of births happen outside of marriage, signaling cultural and economic shifts that are here to stay, according to a new report from the United Nations.

    Forty percent of all births in the U.S. now occur outside of wedlock, up from 10 percent in 1970, according to an annual report released on Wednesday by the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA), the largest international provider of sexual and reproductive health services. That number is even higher in the European Union.

    The EU likely sees more births out of wedlock because many member countries have welfare systems that support gender-balanced child care, said Michael Hermann, UNFPA's senior adviser on economics and demography, in an interview. Public health care systems, paid paternal leave, early education programs and tax incentives give unwed parents support beyond what a partner can provide.
    https://www.bloombergquint.com/purs...-marriage-signaling-cultural-shift#gs.1wRDzl0

    The government as a substitute for a mother or a father, how sad and wrong for the child.
     
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    "......The EU likely sees more births out of wedlock because many member countries have welfare systems......"

    That is a problem in the US as well. I know lower income couples who forsake the technicality of marriage because of the welfare benefits.

    Our welfare system is so f'ed up. (As is our society, increasingly.)
     
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    Marriage is not nearly as important as it once was
     
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    The nuclear family has been destroyed. We taught that there is any number of sexes, sexual orientation away from non-traditional formats should not only be tolerated but encouraged, that women dont need a man (or vice verses), that having babies and getting entitlement is not only acceptable but a goal...

    The list goes on and on. Study after study shows that children born into single parent households are severely disadvantaged to their peers.

    But hey! We got progressive! Yeah!
     
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    It is just as important just not as respected or honored and the needs of the children must take a backseat to the wants and desires of the adults. That is the cultural shift and nowhere where we see this in mass is the outcome good.
     
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    If the only thing keeping a marriage together is a piece of paper then I don't see how that is best for kids
     
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    Another out of control thing that young couples are doing is that they are having a baby, buying a house, then getting married. Or they are buying a house, having a bday, then getting married. That is out of order, out of proper sequence. The only saving grace in those two sceanios is that eventually getting married.
    The real important real stat would be how many single mom never been married households there are. That tells us the real problem of marriages.
     
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    gang and prison population increases accordingly.

    ah, utopia...
     
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    What advantage is there in getting married from a males perspective? I agree that a nuclear family is a necessity in a healthy society but that’s not what we live in. With that being said there is zero incentive to get married to women of society today
     
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    It's not a "piece of paper", it's a commitment. It's a moral obligation. It's what a stand up man or woman does. It's a example to the children on responsibility.
    Since the US has forsaken morals, decided that children are a nuisance and disposable, that the only thing that matters is ones own selfish desires........well, the country we live in now is the result.
    You know why kids are different now? Cause they have no parents. They have biological mothers and fathers, but no parents. Mainly because their biological parents never grew up. They're a coddled, spoiled, never had to sacrifice anything for what they believed in, bunch of immature brats.
    And I'm talking about my generation, ( boomers)
    And our offspring's generation.
     
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    Feminism....
     
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    It's a piece of paper. A commitment comes from your heart
     
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    Revamp EIC ... problem solved. Maybe not? :confuse: Anyone else think feminista's might "serve the purpose" but aren't so desirable, (tolerable) as to wed?
     
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    Other than raising you kids? Ensuring they are well adjusted and properly disciplined? The biggest common factor for high school drop outs, gang members, prisoner is the fact that they were raised in a fatherless home. Some did have a father, but the vast majority of any race of people is the fact that they were in a single mother home. Yes, there are some married couples who also have kids going to jail and dropping out of high school, I bet its cause the wife has barred the father from being the key tool of discipline in the home. Or the father is off in another room while playing video games and leaving the mother by herself.

    As for marrying the women of society today, yeah we can blame 3rd wave feminism for that one. The feminism who says they need to be "independent" and can do what men do and that a man isn't needed to help raise the kids.
     
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    i think the guy above you was referring to the part where man are generally the ones that get screwed if the marriage fails.

    as long as woman are always in the advantage there its a very dangerous potential trap to marry as a man in the US
     
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    Uh, oh, another finger-wagging morality thread from the right. Of course, in the fervor to blame feminism and liberals, they quickly forget that divorce rates are no different between political leanings. So, where are those "family values" when conservatives are no more able to stay in a marriage, when they promised "until death do us part"? Those family values are thrown out quickly for convenience, for example for a Trump vote in return for tax cuts.
     
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    .....and your corresponding snotty response from the immoral Left
     
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    Not saying I disagree totally with you, but to what degree should a parent be there for their kid? Help with bullies? Do the kids homework for them? Do laundry till they move out? Not let the kids go outside alone till which age? I think there are a bunch of kids that are too coddled today cause parents are living vicariously through their kids. There are other parents who let their 2 yo roam the streets. The balance and giving the kids chores and making sure they follow through with their homework is a job in and of itself. There are a lot of parents, especially in 2 income homes who just don't want the 2nd, 3rd or however many kids you have as another job to take care of every night. Its why the single income family is making a return and those kids who have a well adjusted mother who will ensure tasks are completed by the kids, and only get daddy involved for discipline is producing the best and well adjusted kids you can take care of themselves when they leave the home.

    Yes, I know how hard it is, I've been the single dad who came home and pushed that 2nd job of raising my kids.
     
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    Children need a mother and a father. Period.
    Thats why gay marriage is not only a filthy abomination but it hurts children as well, just like selfish women who want children but don't want a husband harm children.
     
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    The destruction of the family will be our downfall. And fatherless homes have proven time and time again to produce messed up kids. Boys don’t get the male role models and discipline and girls look elsewhere to get their father figure.
     
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    Yes, I agree with that. But then you are going into the commitment with the expectation that it will fail. I did sacrifice a lot when going through my divorce, but I was able to keep the kids, house, car, dog, retirement, everything really.
     
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    You are right, "divorce" rates are the same. But this thread is about kids born to single mothers, and that is NOT the same.
     
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    But TRUMP!!!!! LOL

    Screwing and popping out kids is easy. Raising kids to contribute something positive to society is not.

    That takes commitment which seems to be challenging concept to many in our modern society.
     
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    Which, despite efforts to use this as a cudgel against social safety nets, actually says more about the state of our society and economy than it does our welfare system. The fact that anyone would be incentivized to choose such a paltry sum (as welfare is) over marriage and full participation in the economy should give us cause to look at why such a wealthy nation is leaving people to this choice.
     
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