Alt Right is Dead

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ritter, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Which made it odd that you even posted this thread about someone as marginal as Spencer.
     
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    "Balkanization" only occurs because one segment is oppressing another and yes, that does send the nation down the drain. Israel is currently suffering the inevitable consequences of oppressing the Palestinians. Curiously enough South Africa found a peaceful resolution to their own "Balkanization" problem and are moving forward now as a multicultural society. Admittedly there are teething problems but it is a 3rd world nation so that is inevitable.

    The original "balkanization" of our nation arose because of slavery and was followed by the Jim Crow racism and then the oppression of black voting rights. It is was racist white supremacists who were responsible in the past and who are just as responsible for what is happening now. Fortunately the Law of the Land outlaws what the racist white supremacists are doing and want to do and majority of my fellow Americans will not allow any "balkanization" to happen again.
     
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    In a segmented / fragmented / diverse country it is inevitable that different segments feel that they are oppressed or discriminated. This has always been the case in history. If you have problems, then you blame the others. Your own segment is always the innocent victim of an oppression.
    If one segment claims that it is impartial and has the capability to judge who oppresses or discriminates whom, this will not solve the problem.
    Only when different segments split and become responsible for themselves, and there will be nobody to blame for their own deficits, the problem with "oppression" disappears.
    Ergo: a diverse country is a dying country, a strong and healthy country is always homogeneous.
    The "peaceful solution" in South Africa" had a result, that the White Pioneers, that created this country, are now robbed and raped by Blacks, who are not even Natives in this region, it was not inhabited, when the White Pioneers settled in this African Wilderness.
    This region once was called the Bread Basket of Africa, today it is a Basket Case, a third world shithole, and the Black population of this shithole is fleeing into still white (speak "supremacist/racist") countries.
    If you want to know how America will look in about 50 years, go to Johannesburg or Chicago!
    :D
     
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  4. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Marginal? :laughing:
     
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  5. Lil Mike

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    How large a group do you think Spencer represents?
     
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    Your are entitled to your racist opinion but not to your own facts.

    Multicultural and multiracial nations can and do exist. The first documented nation of that type was Egypt and they survived for many hundreds of years. Next came the Romans for several hundred years. Today there are very few nations that have a single cultural identity.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...st-culturally-diverse-countries-in-the-world/

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism
     
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    My own estimate is around 20% of the population but a larger percentage of the electorate.
     
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    Your posts are always good for a laugh. The kind of "thinking" it takes to type out that Ancient Egypt and Rome were "multicultural" is truly a unique and special perspective.

    Moreover, "cultural diversity" itself, as in the funny graph posted, is a semantic nullity, so abstract and vague that it has little if any meaning or usefulness. What happened was they decided that "racial diversity" an actual quantifiable thing, didn't carry enough globalist, progressive oomph, so they changed that to the completely absurd chart of "cultural diversity." Not fooled.
     
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    HAHAHAHHHAAAAA, getting better and better. Better than any comedy on TV atm, that's for sure. You forgot the decimal and the "0" in front of 20%, should be .02%. But hey, there's one behind every bush, right? LOLLOLOL.
     
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    Wow that's insane. No wonder your posts don't seem to conform to reality.
     
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    Tell that to Pew!

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/12/most-americans-havent-heard-of-the-alt-right/

    The hard core of the extremist alt right is 10-12% with another 8-10% that agree with them without directly associating themselves with the alt-right.

    Breitbart styles itself as the "voice" of the extremist alt right and has 24 million unique visitors to it's website. If those are the 10-12% hard core then that would make my estimate of 20% around 48-56 million which would be 24-29% of all registered voters in America.

    Yes, it is possible that I am on the high end of the scale but I don't make the mistake of underestimating the opposition.
     
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    Still waiting for your "proof" that I ever posted anything like that on this forum.

    Reminders will be posted on a daily basis until the day you present such "evidence".
     
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    That poll has nothing to do with your supposition that the "alt right" is 20% of the population. Not only are you not living in the same reality as everyone else, you can't read either.
     
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    Tries and fails to conflate "hearing about something" with the actual existence of something or people actually adhering to beliefs they have "heard of." Wonder what PEW would find about "who has heard of bigfoot?"

    Can't make this stuff up folks, they just go off blindly googling and hardly read what they link as a result. Source doesn't at all match the claims made, why am I not surprised?

    Oh, and trying to estimate beliefs based on web traffic is a fool's errand. I've been to Huffington Post dozens of times just looking at links from Drudge, other sources and this very forum, does that make me a typical dumb LW Huffpuff reader? Of course not. Same for any RW source, exacerbated by the fact that half the clicks on the net these days are fake clicks by bots, spiders, responses to clickbait, etc.

    Finally, conflating Richard Spencer (whom I hadn't even heard of until one set of Berkeley riots) with Breitbart is absurd and dishonest.

    Don't fall for their "one behind every bush" nonsense, it's the only way they have left to fuel their illicit, rotten grievance industry, fooling people into believing 20,000 people are 60,000,000 is a big part of that fake narrative. Don't be fooled.
     
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    Fallacy of false a prior confirmation bias, Art. Two very diverse countries, Art, known as the USSR and USA, "mutt' countries if you want, beat the living daylights out of Germany and Japan, very monocultural societies.

    Please do not use terms like Balkinazation that you do not understand in meaning or application, Art.
     
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    Do you know that the "diversity" in Egypt, Greece and the Roman Empire was due to the slavery?
    These diverse society existed as long, as they had the institution of slavery, and slaves did not have any rights.

    Your historic examples were idiotic, sorry.

    BTW, there are even older references to diverse societies, you can find them in the Old Testament.

    The legends about the Tower of Babilon and the punishment of Sodomites is very telling.

    :D
     
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    the fanatical religious right have dirtied many names, sure they will continue that trend
     
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    Who are you to give me lessons?

    Dr. Sunic, who lived in the ex-Yugoslavia and taught at the Ivy League in the USA, talks about “The ‘Balkanization’ of the EU and the USA". He can see many parallels with ex-Yugoslavia, the West is becoming a parody of the former Commie-Countries. American Campus is today more Commie, than any Campus in any former Commie-Countries was.
     
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    :) :) LOL. It's funny how they call imperialism and colonialism "multicultural" when it suits them.

    I'm sure Lycurgus would have loved to hear that poster's thoughts on multiculturalism out in the fields among the helots.

     
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    ... still waiting ...
     
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    Ignorance of history is idiotic!

    Ancient Egypt was a crossroads where people from all over the known world came and settled. It was about as multicultural and diverse as it is possible to get. It was both a center of civilization and a major trading hub.

    Rome was a similar situation where people from all across the known world came and went. Since it invaded most of Europe and large swaths of Africa and the Middle East it was also multicultural and diverse.

    To claim that it was ONLY as a result of slavery is disingenuous.
     
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    Rome and Alexandria and Athens, etc., were the intersections of great and major trading routes.

    Peoples of all races, colors, ethnicities, origins, languages, etc. came here.

    About 40 to 45% of the Mediterranean world were slaves, that Art_Allam deliberately misrepresents as "diversity."

    It was the trading world that caused the diversity.
     
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    Exactly!

    Go to any modern city that has international trading and there will be way more diversity than in those that don't have international trading. It has been that way for millennia now.
     
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    course the jobs going overseas and the products coming from overseas is where the problem comes in, that means all the money is leaving and none of it taxed, not good for the local economy

    I think the only way to bring the jobs back is to raise the corp tax rate say 15% and offer a 15% tax cut to those that support American jobs
     
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    History is not your strength.

    What do you mean with "known world"? Somebody could settle in Egypt only after they got the permission from Pharaohs, dude. Useless people were kicked out or massacred. Useful people were enslaved.

    Other settled in Egypt after a war, but there was no liberalism, dude. Forget about "equal rights" and "open boarders". Egyptians tried to protect their culture and civilisation, and after they became diverse, this was the end of their civilisation.
    The ruling elite (Pharaohs) in Egypt were indistinguishable from Europeans.

    The same with Romans, they had a European elite, other races were slaves or gladiators, speak there was no "equality" in Rome, and they did not have "open boarders". You had to be useful to the Romans to get Roman citizenship.

    What is your point?
    Do you really believe that there were "liberals" in ancient civilizations you mentioned, that promoted the idea that races do not exist, and that they promoted "equal rights" for all races?

    :D
     

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