Am I responsible for the actions of those in the past?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    we should not help people based on race, we should help people that need help regardless of race, that raises everyone up.....

    I am concerned about both white racists and black racists... it needs to stop... treat everyone the same regardless of their race, gender or religion

    racism is bad, regardless of the race of the racist

    "You sound like Rodney King, “can’t we all just get along”. The answer is no!"

    we can, the racists can't.. don't let the racists divide the races.. that is what they want
     
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    Oh of course the Southern poverty Law Center is an organization “known to lie” they are one of the most respected organization statistically and if ther are mistakes they are not lies.. If you want to pretend that they are making up the rising hate groups, so be it. You’re very typical of those who want to deny racism by attacking the messenger..
    So anyone who works hard can do what I can do. Yeah luckily there is no discrimination and everybody is treated equally obviously in your world white men are just genetically superior and they work much harder than women and minorities. As a teacher I could not afford to go skydiving like I did but I married a man who was a high school dropout and became vice president On Wall Street and at least he had the decency to admit had he not been a white male, he never would have been given the chance on the trading floor .One thing I tell teachers and that is not to tell students that they can be anything they want because it’s not true. I would never discourage my students from their irrational goals but I would just ask them to make sure they had a Plan B. I wanted to be a rockstar but I happened to be tone deaf. I guess it’s my fault because I didn’t go for auditions

    Here’s more... tu I’m sure you’ll find a reason to not believe them too
    • The Southern Poverty Law Center reports a dramatic increase in the number of white nationalist groups in the U.S., from 100 chapters in 2017 to 148 in 2018.
    • The Anti-Defamation League reports a 182 percent increase in incidents of the distribution of white supremacist propaganda, and an increase in the number of rallies and demonstrations by white supremacy groups, from 76 in 2017 to 91 in 2018.
    • A study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies found the number of terrorist attacks by far-right perpetrators quadrupled in the U.S. between 2016 and 2017, and that far-right attacks in Europe rose 43 percent over the same period. Among those incidents, CSIS states, the rise of attacks by white supremacists and anti-government extremists is “of particular concern.”
     
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  3. Renee

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    And some have advantages over others. I have had brilliant students who could never dream of going to college because it wasn’t in the realm of reality. There are kids that are born into wealth and they don’t have to be competent
     
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    We should help the people who have been denied opportunities throughout our history. I do agree that poor people no matter what race should get public assistance.
    I wish it was as simple that we should just get along. It’s very logical but totally lacking psychological insight
     
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    1) why not? full scholarships (including accommodation/meals, etc) for 'brilliant' students have been offered at colleges and universities for generations. 'brilliant' students receive very high graduation marks, and so will be welcomed by any college/university. what is REALLY stopping them?

    2) so what? they have wealth already, they can afford to be a poet.
     
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    You seem to miss the point of legacy. Because people were denied opportunities and others were granted them. Things are set up for them. How does one catch up? The person who has the inside lane in the race starts after the guy on the outside lane because he has a handicap. Is that vengeance?You act as though white people are now put in the situation where they are denied opportunities like blacks and women were. I think you have a little bit of victim envy
     
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    We helped by no longer denying opportunity. The rest is up to them.
     
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    In 2019, all citizens under the age of 60 have the same 'handicap'.
     
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    What about segregation?
     
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    And why do you think no longer were denied opportunity? That’s affirmative action and the rest is up to them and that is why you have a rising black middle class and women are so dominating higher education. These things just don’t happen in a vacuum. Do you really think those southern racists who segregated Black’s and told them they are inferior human beings suddenly respect them?
     
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    Let me guess ....you’re a white male who lacks insight into racism and sexism
     
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    TODAY, no one is denied opportunity. TODAY, Asian Americans are outgunning all of you.
     
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    So accurate, Renee!

    You're some kinda genius, surely. Totally have me pegged, there :)
     
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    You’re right..I do have you pegged,
     
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    And yet you got it 100% wrong, good job!
     
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    The problem with affirmative action is it is a bigotry based on low expectation. If you can't start equal with the white male you are not equal with the white male. Further you never will be. play how to get into college based on their merit alone their race didn't help them in fact it probably set them back their sex didn't help them it definitely set them back.

    This attitude is never going to change because it's based on the fact that we're handicapping people because of in your case vengeance and the people who support this who are white male guilt.

    If everyone starts out equally the merit is all that matters.

    Sorry that's the reality.
     
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    There is no insight necessary. This is not nuanced. Equality is absolute if things are just a little bit unequal there is no equality.

    Affirmative action removes equality. no amount of inside will make that statement not true.
     
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    affirmative action is just denying opportunities to others it serves no juice and helping anything. It is vengeance.

    They're forced to by law. The Civil Rights act not affirmative action.

    Affirmative action is vengeance.
     
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    A black man was just president of the united states .. argument over.
     
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    totally disagree, the people you want to help are just as responsible for America's bad deeds as anyone else... if we help the poor regardless of race, the poor of all races are raised up

    as long as people believe in separate but equal, there will be problems, we are one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all
     
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    I do not believe in all black or all white schools or businesses, discrimination is wrong
     
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    Did you say that when we had white male affirmative-action that it was bigotry based on low expectations? Did you say that they were unequal to women and blacks? Did you say that when colleges banned minorities and women who were smarter ? I bet you really weren’t angry. It kind of bothered me when I saw the boys going to the best public high schools that girls were banned from but my consciousness wasn’t raised yet so I just excepted it the way you accept white AA
    What you are doing is saying that because minorities and women get special consideration that they are somehow inferior. Do you really think Harvard would accept someone like Barack Obama just because he is black and not because he is also brilliant? Let me give you an example. My daughter took an SAT test that cost money and her scores went up 200 points. My students could not afford that test and they also Went to inferior schools Was my daughter smarter months ago when she took the test the first time? Then there all those kids who got in because their daddies went to the schools. Were they superior? Where was the anger?
    Your prejudice is not handicapping people. Educated people are very aware that if you graduated from a top university you had to compete with everyone equally. You believe that minorities are inferior intellectually obviously. We don’t all start out equally and we haven’t for generations. You pretend that suddenly everyone is equal.
    Can you remind me of a person in one of my groups who was very angry because her son got rejected from Yale and he was first in his class. And the boy was black out in...he was third in his class! Do you think that really makes a difference? There are brilliant black people and brilliant women who were denied access and had to give up their seats to less qualified males but no one was upset them and no one view those men as intellectually inferior the way you are seeing blacks and women. Diversity is a good thing. But what do you have to do to explain your prejudice is give it a bad name like vengeance which is so ridiculous. When white males are denied admission to the top universities we will be talking about vengeance. When white males are denied loans because of their race and gender we will be talking about vengeance. You’re just projecting your own vengeance into others who want to share the pie
     
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    Who is denied opportunities?You mean because Harvard accepts
    women and minorities now that means white people can’t apply?
    What opportunities are denied the white males? I think you’re just projecting your own vengeance because you have to share the pie with others
     
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    Affirmative action removes equality. no amount of inside will make that statement not true.[/QUOTE]

    If only you felt that way when we had white male affirmative-action for centuries
     
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    You know very little about scholarships
     

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