Amazon Shutting Down PARLER

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  1. AFM

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    I know exactly what it means. If you are a libertarian and you advocate actions that deprive citizens of their civil rights you have discovered the illogic of libertarianism.
     
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    what was so important, different, or secret about those conspiracy pits that couldn't be done anywhere? were there rituals and passwords?
     
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    “This is a good thing” .......
    Beware the unintended consequences......
    Today, only the President of the United States......
    Tomorrow....??
     
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    First of all, I hope that you don't believe this lie and bullshit about election fraud, because the king of fake news - Donald Trump - keeps telling us and what so many Trumponians really believe.

    A neutral fact check is OK in itself ... but it also has to be neutral! Apart from that, that is exactly the point why we are currently talking about "Feedom of Speech", which Trump and his supporters are supposedly denied by Amazon, Twitter & Co., isn't it?
    This brings us to the point of censorship ... because the forum here is a place where both sides can and may express their opinion. If one person does not like the views of the other, he is in the wrong forum ... and should go to an "I love Trump" or "I love Biden" forum, then he has peace of mind from the disturbing views of the other side!

    And as far as general (and illegal) outside influence on elections in a country is concerned, the USA and the Americans are the last ones who have the right to complain about them. Evidence shows that the US and US governments (both Republicans and Democrats) have done exactly that a dozen times to many countries!
     
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    Really?
    The social media pages and Amazon are not public areas where everyone can express their opinion freely. There are companies that offer a platform for profit and they have every right by law to set up user provisions, rules and guidelines ... and that has always been the case!
    If you stand on the town hall square of your city and want to hold your tweets as a speech, then you have every right to do so, because "Freedom of Speech".
    But if you want to do that on Twitter, then you have to adhere to the rules set by Twitter. If you don't want to agree with that, don't use Twitter - Basta! And if you don't want to stick to these rules, then everyone has to live with the corresponding consequences ... even a Donald Trump!

    And Amazon and its partners are an online sales platform. What Amazon wants to offer here and what not, is the sole and only decision of Amazon and that is protected by every law up to the US constitution!
     
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    Oh I do believe there was election fraud. Too what extent I don't know. I'm more interested in what method's were tried and what were successful. If one group can find a successful way they will use it, and expand it, in future elections.

    I'm not on Twitter, Facebook or any of those affiliates. So I don't know how they work. Now I did sign up for Parlor but never posted on it. From what I could see it is pretty conservative. I do like this Forum because there are opposing views. That said, I find some, that would like to drive the conservatives off of here. Conservatives are not afraid of liberal speech but do have some concerns about their programs and the way they go about doing things to advance their agenda. Liberals are afraid of conservative speech for sure and would shut it down in a nanosecond if they could.

    I agree with you that our government does interfere in other countries business and elections but does that make two wrongs a right?
     
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    If you are a libertarian, you would allow private for-profit corporations define their own policies, much like a private citizen can choose who can and cannot eat in their dining room. However, you want the government to make those decisions.

    You have NO RIGHT to utilize other people's platforms for your own purposes. If the government owned the platform, as would be the case in a socialist country, then the government would make the rules but that is not the case with Amazon. They do not have to allow porn, gore, threatening language or people plotting violent events. To be honest, IF the government owned the platform they would also ban such behaviour, and the Supreme Court would rule in their favor (saying it does not violate freedom of speech). After all, making threats and plotting violent acts is against the law.
     
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    Aside fact that there was not a single issue delivered until now which can be called evidence for it...

    Trump and his beautifully packaged Presidential Order taught me better. De facto there would have been a state decision-making body as to what rules the services or this forum may and may not set up ... including then determining what must be deleted and what not. What do you call something like that again, eh? But again: It is the legally secured rules of the social media services here about ... and it is not about a curtailment of freedom of speech. These services are not a public space.

    No, it doesn't of course ... but it but unfortunately "finger pointing" to others like this is done quickly in the USA, but then it is completely ignored that the USA is no better!
    Or to put it another way with a metahpha: If one proven scammer accuses another proven scammer of cheating on him ... that's pretty ridiculous, isn't it?
     
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    They are enemies of the people. They are suppressing free speech.
     
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    Bottom line - You are advocating for the denial of the civil rights of US citizens.
     
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    I would hid my face if I advocated to deny the civil rights of US citizens as well. This is where the libertarian political philosophy fails.
     
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    You better ammend the constitution 1st ammendment so that it applies to private business and not just the gov then.
     
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    The pic demonstrates the disappointment after having wasted all this time trying to explain things to you.

    You probably think your civil rights also give you the freedom to enter Amazon warehouses and take whatever you want. It is no different from thinking you have the "right" to use their platform against their will.
     
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    We would have far, far more censorship without 230.
     
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    Again you advocate denial of the civil rights of US citizens. I’ve explained this in detail.
     
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    We would have none.
     
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    You're right! You'd have no platform left to express yourself on since all would be open to being sued for what their user post on their site! Bravo, you've just removed free speech for everyone!
     
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    Then you don't know what 230 is. We would absolutely have more censorship without it. Without 230, platforms would be legally responsible for what their users post. They would be more restrictive of posts if they were legally responsible for them. This ain't rocket surgery.
     
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    There is no such thing as a "civil right" to force someone to host your website if they don't want to. Parler can find another host or host it themselves.
     
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    Already covered all this upthread.
     
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    Already covered all this upthread.
     
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    Which part of the libertarian platform says that if my neighbor wants to put signs with his opinions on my lawn, I have to let him?

    From where I sit, that's the opposite of libertarianism.
     
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    Amazon, Apple, YouTube, etc. conspired to destroy Parler and Parler users. That’s racketeering in addition to denying the civil rights of Parler employees and users.
     
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    And you were wrong then.
     

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