Amber Guyger: Trial begins for ex-Dallas cop who killed neighbor in apartment mix-up

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Only if it was proven in court the lock indeed malfunctioned that night and was not "operator error".
     
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    I've got something. 80% of murders in Chicago go unsolved. Each of those black murder victims gets no justice. Now of course, since the killers are black, it kind of screws up the social justice calculus. This is endemic in all major cities in America. The "snitches get stitches" culture in inner cities is the the number one impediment to justice for black murder victims. You will notice that this particular black victim DID get justice.
     
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    Signs don’t seem to keep hippies from falling into the Grand Canyon.
    Just sayin’
     
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    Traffic signs only work 77% of the time.
     
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    Banning white people from college campus
     
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    One step might be for police to back off on shooting black folks at the drop of a hat.

    There aren't any "conservatives" today, so I don't know what you mean by that. Possibly, you just didn't want to say "Republicans" or "NRA members" or whatever.

    I doubt your group is happy - but, I DO believe you care less, because he didn't share your skin color.
     
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    Juidical sexism is the problem. She was a woman so she got a slap on the wrist and the black female judge gave her a hug and a Bible......

    http://www.spsp.org/news-center/press-releases/gender-judicial-bias

    https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx

    https://www.suffragents.org/women-and-jail

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/genderinc.html

    https://www.statista.com/chart/11573/gender-of-inmates-in-us-federal-prisons-and-general-population/
     
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    Thats a damn lie

    The cops respond to the craziness they find on the street and sometimes that leads shootings that never benefit the police
     
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    This was the right result, she's sentenced to 10 years but will be out in 3, still only 34 and with plenty of time to start a second career and have a family, put this dreadful tragedy behind her. The actions of the family of the poor guy she killed should make all the cop haters out there ashamed.
     
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    The Amazing Lucas thought 10 years an outrage for a Murder Conviction. Too lenient. Jesse Lee Peterson thought it too harsh accusing black jurors of anti-white bigotry. Both are black men. It does seem she did not get the benefit of the doubt and get a negligent homicide conviction for which 10 years seems harsh.
     
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    Oh, please.

    She walked into someone's house and shot him dead.

    Was she planning that - no. But, everything else is absolutely on her.

    And, it has NOTHING to do with whether she was police.
     
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    Agreed, it was on her. What was on her?
    We may not know, or ever know what really happened. I think it possible she had a relationship with that guy that went south so she knowingly and willingly 1st degree murdered him. 1st degree murder. She very well may have planned it all. But to my knowledge, that is not in evidence.
    Her story: the door was unlocked, she, negligently, entered thinking it her home and thought there was an intruder in her house. She states that she thought she was defending herself. Her action was negligent in that even in these circumstances, this was excessive. But outside of wanting to defend herself, what was her motive to shoot?
     
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    She had a choice of the judge or the jury determining her sentence.

    She chose the jury which was overwhelmingly black and Hispanic.

    The jury only gave her ten. She got off very easy imo.

    But it was all conducted kosher and pure. The jury spoke. That's it.
     
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    Gee, to the Right, to feel abused over how a "crime is a crime" makes no difference, the penalty should be the same!

    For a "hate crime", only, I guess!?

    But this shooter is in someone else's house that is a different color door, and with NO checking, no call out, no warning, no bother to back out of the (wrong) house, in a matter of a couple seconds so dark she can't see who it is, drills the poor ice-cream eating guy dead center in his heart with a highly deadly gun of her own, but the penalty, to many in this forum and in the NRA, the shooter should say "gee, sorry, I don't have to clean up the blood, right?".

    Yeah, accountability means nothing to shooters or Republicans.
     
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    Nonsense, this was an accident by ab exhausted woman who just got the wrong apartment for this poor guy. It was a tragic accident and her light sentence is the right result.
     
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    Update
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/amber-guyger-trial-sentencing/index.html

    Amber Guyger, the former Dallas police officer who killed Botham Jean in his apartment last year, is heading to prison to begin a 10-year sentence. She will first be eligible for parole in five years.
     
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    If we believe this truly was 1st degree murder then 10 years is too little. I am pro death penalty. And that is what she was convicted of so the 10 years is too little.

    The better charge may have been negligent homicide. Why did she shoot the guy? What was her motive? If you believe at a minimum she thought she was defending herself, you do not have 1st degree murder. 10 years for negligent homicide may be fine.

    I wonder if the jury believed her but convicted 1st degree anyway.

    As the conviction was for 1st degree murder, the sentence should have been life. This can be appealed if wrong. It could have been over-turned by presiding judge who instead simply hugged the woman.
     
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    The jury has spoken. You have no choice but to accept the rendering of the jury.

    The jury had authority to exercise power; nobody else did or does.
     
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    No. Here in Texas, 1st degree murder is formally called Capital Murder. She wasn't changed with that.
     
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    Do they have 2nd degree, or 2nd degree just called Murder without the 1st degree or capital in front?
    2nd is "depraved indifference".
     
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    https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.19.htm

    CHAPTER 19. CRIMINAL HOMICIDE

    Sec. 19.01. TYPES OF CRIMINAL HOMICIDE.
    (a) A person commits criminal homicide if he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence causes the death of an individual.

    (b) Criminal homicide is murder, capital murder, manslaughter, or criminally negligent homicide. (Different penalties for each)
     
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    She is lucky I wasn't on the jury or she would have gotten 99 years.
     
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    They also shoot people through the windows of their own home, in their apartments, when they are running away, etc.

    Trying to blame the victim is ridiculous.

    The primary point here is that policing fails when the population being policed is not supportive of those doing the policing.

    And, in far too many places our police forces do not have the support of those being policed. And, one of the significant reasons is how they get treated.

    Saying that the police operate legally is just not good enough. Saying they only kill those they are legally allowed to kill is NOT good enough. And, the same thing goes for being beaten, harrassed, having their doors destroyed, etc.
     

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