America is edging closer to civil war

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/america-is-edging-closer-to-civil-war-jqvnv8f0n

American and British scientists admit that soon in the United States may begin intrastate confrontation.
The next presidential election could lead to a final split in American society and a new civil war. This opinion was expressed by a British historian, a professor at Harvard University Neil Ferguson in an article published in The Sunday Times.
Recently, internal contradictions have intensified in the United States and a "cultural conflict" has intensified, and the cases of sending bombs to prominent critics of the American president, such as Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, give rise to confidence in the imminent US civil war, the historian believes.
Emily Whalen, Ph.D. (History), University of Texas, also analyzes the risk of a US civil war.
(How Likely Is A New American Civil War? Surprising Lessons From Lebanon’s Conflict https://taskandpurpose.com/second-american-civil-war-lebanon/)
It is based on the methodology of journalist Jonathan Randal, who predicted the beginning of a civil confrontation in Lebanon. Noting that there are significant differences between the United States and Lebanon, the scientist comes to the conclusion that similarities and reasons for concern do exist.
So, the president of the United States, according to Whalen, is now a “boor”, the country has powerful and unreliable allies with their own interests and, in fact, a “caricature ineffective government.” At the same time, the US Republican Party resembles the conservative forces of Lebanon on the eve of the civil war, and the Democrats, like the progressive parties of Lebanon in their time, "are disorganized and decentralized," the scholar believes.

“caricature ineffective government.” - surprisingly accurate definition.

It is obvious that the collapse of the American and world economy is not avoided. There are only two scenarios for developments in the US -
1. or economic collapse - unemployment - rising crime - racial conflicts - rising separatism - civil war,
2. or nuclear apocalypse in the war with Russia - and after the exchange of nuclear strikes, life in conditions similar to those shown in the movie "Mad Max".

Which script do you prefer?

There is one more variant of the development of events - the socialist revolution. Yes. Most likely this will also lead to civil war, but it gives great prospects for an economic breakthrough and for the construction of a just society.

What do you think about it?

 

He's a demagogue.

I'll go for Door #3--Americans vote Trump out in 2020.

Americans are socialists, so there won't be a socialist revolution.

This sociopath is stirring up fear and hatred.

 

This makes me happy. But if this is so, then must go to the fact that the means of production, natural wealth were owned by the entire American society, but not the property of several oligarchs.

 

Pure nonsense that is of interest only to a Russian propagandist.

 

I think it's possible but unlikely right now, because I suppose that most american have too much too loose in a civil war. Even if the rather violent culture of the USA could create that kind of issues.

I suppose there could be a rise of domestic terrorists of far-right and far-left members, even if I doubt it will end into a civil war.

 

Did Bernie Sanders stir up fear and hatred when he spoke about Republicans as killing people through their healthcare plan? Did Obama stir up fear and hatred with his anti-cop rhetoric?

 

It'd be the shortest civil war ever since the left don't know how to shoot guns let alone own any.

They gonna stand there and yell profanity at us or something...maybe make some big signs?

 

I seriously doubt it. The violent loonies on both sides are minority. If they want to war against each other, the rest of us can just keep on being grown ups.

 

[QUOTE = "fmw, post: 1069816789, member: 22801"] Pure nonsense that is of interest only to a Russian propagandist.[/QUOTE]
The agents of the Kremlin are everywhere

 

OP is saying this because he sees the end of the fright right rapidly approaching.

 

The inevitable collapse of the economy can easily lead to a parade of sovereignties and civil war. For example. No one would have thought at the beginning of August 1991 that at the end of August 1991 the collapse of the USSR would occur.

 

fallacy of false equivalency, that ^^^

 

I think; who on the left even owns a gun, let alone know how one works?

 

Coup d'état commit minority, but all everyone suffers consequences. Look for example at Ukraine, Georgia, ... Lebanon.

 

On that point, you're right. History often take a way that nobody would have guessed.

 

A lot of former Soviets, your president-for-life included, seem to harbor a lot of resentment about that, which explains your government's present efforts to destroy our country through covert, subversive means. Your people probably feel that we did the same to the USSR.

 

You american people are grown-up people. You're absolutly able to destroy yourself by your own and it's what your doing. Even if some foreign power were involved on that, they're just blowing up on some embers which are already existing.
It's funny and sad how both sides of the political life of the USA tend to be absolutly non compromising, picture the other side as evil and are untolerant to each other opinion. There is for sure one point where the democrats and republican are working together, it's at destroying your own country by their leftist-right winged conflict.

By the way, there is a lot of nuanced people in both sides, but the extremists in both sides tend to dominate.

 

Absolutely. I don't blame Russia for our failure of a political system. I feel it is that winner-take-all system and the two-party dynamic that it created that has led us eventually to this point.

 

I assure you, the left thinks exactly the same.

 

In Russia, capitalism is now, therefore all the vices of a capitalist society are now also present in Russia. For example, the concept of "economic crises" is exclusively a product of capitalism.

 

The american political system isn't perfect, but it would be a mistake to blame the system when it's both a lot of democrats and republican who are responsible of the tensions for just insulting the other side, don't weighting their words and simply depicting the other side as evilish evil.

 

Well, I'm sure the occasional crisis beats bread lines and having to drive a government-issued Lada

 

I can assure you 100% none of the Russians blame the USA or any other country in collapse the USSR - . (I exclude a small number of idiots who there is everywhere).
Russians blame the scum on the Soviet government, such as Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, and similar bastards. And they blame themselves, because they at that date could not recognize the meanness in time for "sweet" speeches political scums.
The Russians accuse the NATO bloc because this bloc has deceived them - it promised not to expand to the east and violated its obligations.

 

Individuals are subject to greater forces. Democrats and Republicans respond to existing pressures and dynamics. Independents end up voting for those clowns because our system has made it impossible for more than two parties to thrive; 3rd-party and independent candidates are perceived as inviable. Two parties alone can't represent the entire population properly, and this in turn forces the electorate into one of the two parties, and in the process affects how they think politically. The major party politicians aren't "evil," but they are doing what they feel is necessary to maintain a political and electoral advantage over their opponents. As Americans, they believe in our system and want to function as a part of it. Given this, I'm not surprised that they aren't attempting some kind of major overhaul of that system. They tend to do what is politically "safe" for them, anyway, especially if they are in a "swing district" or "swing state," where the other party has a good chance of winning in the next election, thus punishing any failed ventures on their part.

The two parties may be internally corrupt and "evil" in ways, but this system has also bred them in the first place, and continues to sustain them. Ultimately it will take a great awakening of some kind for this to change, I imagine. It would be nice to see the conversation move that way.

 

Are you concerned that NATO will become an aggressor? That is something I can't imagine happening.