America Needs To Control Its Anger Over Saudi Arabia!

So what? That wasn't the point.

 

So ultimately, you had no point.

Thanks!

 

If you referenced post #104 by posting #104 here it is:




That's not an evidence but an "allegation" which does not even have a "proper citation".
I know you want to associate a Washington Post writer to bin Laden but you can always search for Adnan Khashoggi, and other Khashoggi family members to have some idea about them... Even the KSA resident dude on twitter linked to your post who shared that page up there is just claiming Khashoggi might have been CIA, in which case tho, that sort of relationship could get Khashoggi exonerated easily simply by the possibility of being an important informant/mole to the agency...

So one thing is certain here Mikey boy; that's no evidence at all...

 

Oh, sorry, I just forgot I had to use separate posts for pointing separate issues... My bad...

 

The page you post the link of is nothing but full of speculations out of some baseless allegations like these:

Why didn't he chose to go to Paris consulate? His fiance could have also waited outside of the consulates in Paris/London/Berlin/Madrid/Tokyo

Yes he did all those good things but he also shook down opposition to fund weapons deal, no?
I heard he threatened western demands for more reforms with providing Iran some controlled maneuvering ability... We know he considers to buy S-400s from Russia as well. These "balancing" leverages have to be approached cautiously !

 

It's the Spectator, what did you expect?

I thought I already told you I always check information with at least three independent sources. Well, here's the second source for Khashoggi's ties with the Muslim Brotherhood and his religious extremism:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/jamal-khashoggi-saudis-religious-roots-171123161746247.html

The third source:

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...-supporter-of-palestinian-terrorism-1.6571267

Because the documents he needed to marry his fiancee were sent to the Consulate in Istanbul. At least this is what he's been told, according to the media. Isn't the woman Turkish?

I harbor no illusions regarding Saudi Arabia and its leaders.

 

Saudis have just confirmed he was killed in the consulate during a fist fight.

Btw, MB has long been havin an office in London. So does this make the queen also a radical islamist? Khashoggi was for reforms not jihad. His death will ensure them that's for certain but I hear the bells ringing for Kushner too. Democrats are making a comeback.

 

I actually have a copy of the book,The Looming Tower, and those statements are footnoted as an interview with Kashoggi himself. Let me know if you need more help.

 

Yes. Scan the citations and put here please.
Thanks.

 

Or...buy the book. Apparently you need it.

 

This is Riyadh we don't have no such books here. You were the one who offered help and also who claimed to have the book. Go ahead and share the citations then. That helps.

 

Trump should not be supporting the murder of the press

 

Do you really think corrupt Hillary would bite the hand that gave her ten million dollars when she knows they could easily make her pockets over flow with money. The Saudi's tried to bribe her so they would not have to worry about her. Yes I don't know what Hillary would have done but it's the most likely thing she would have done. You can't single out Trump and his supporters for this when Democrats would most likely be doing the same thing unless your an independent and dislike both parties? Then it is understandable. You just sound like a left winger. My apologies if you are not.

 

When did Trump say he supports the murder of the press? His actions are a wait and see thing and I don't honestly know what else he is supposed to do without pissing off Saudi Arabia. You must look at the bigger picture here. Do we really want to destroy any good relations we have with Saudi because a journalist died in a Turkey Consulate? Why not left Turkey do the investigation since it was in Turkey?

 

Support crazy Islamo-Fascist #1 ? Or side with crazy Fasco-Islamist #2 ?

That's the dilemma the U.S. is faced with in the region.

The two countries are almost the same.

 

Apology accepted. They may or may not have given her money, but Trump in indebted due to loans given to him and they could call in those loans. Then he is up shts creek without a paddle.

 

Saudi Arabia has been funding violent extremist for decades they are no allies in the war on terror.

Nevermind the fact that most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.

Nevermind the fact that they are supporting violent jihadists in the Syrian Civil War.

Nevermind the fact that they fund extremist mosques all over Europe and the rest of the world.

Nevermind the fact that they cut back oil production so as to artificially increase its price.

Nevermind the fact that they are murdering people in Yemen.

 

Everyone needs to understand that almost all terrorism today is done by Sunni extremists and their main funder and supplier and benefactor is Saudi Arabia.

 

I don't disagree that they may also have tried to gain political favor with Trump or already have. That is what Saudi Arabia does. They try to bribe whoever is in power so they can get special treatment. They don't care if it's the Republicans or Democrats. They did it with Hillary although they put the donation in her charity foundation to cover it up. The leaders in Saudi Arabia I have no respect for and if they are behind this they should be held responsible but there is not much we can do without seriously hurting our relations or trade with them. Trump needs to look at the bigger picture here.

 

With ISIS pretty much destroyed or close to it I would not be surprised if you are in fact right. The middle east is a rough place to live.

 

ISIS is alive and well. They have pulled up their tents and moved to Somalia and environs. Trump did well to get 'em out from where they were.

 

Dirty Donald is quite willing to piss off the Chinese who hold over a TRILLION in U.S.Treasuries and Japan who are also large owners, but no he,s quite willing to overlook the sins of the Saudis because they feed him MILLIONS personally!!

 

Did I write anywhere that you are personally hypocritical? No!

It is generally about the US in the matter of "hypocrisy" ... and I can gladly give you another current example where the US is hypocritical!
If the Assad Regime and / or their ally Russia bombs the rebells in Syria and again comes a report that a hospital was hit, the USA are upset, right?
If the Saudis do the same in Yemen, then nothing happens in the USA!

Not that you think I want to defend the Assad regime or Russia here ... no, of course I condemn their actions of such type!
The point is that the US here only one-sidedly condemn and indict such acts of the Syrians and / or Russians ... but if the Saudis do the same thing in Yemen ... and they do by evidence ... then this is ignored, possibly even denied and in the worst case even excused that the Houthi rebels are all evil, Iran-backed terrorists.

This behavior of the US is just disgusting ... and if someone like me has the nerve to constrict the Figer on it and take the brainless statements made in the past like the Houthis work with ISIS and Al Qaeda together and refuting them with eviodecen what they are - bull**** - then of course I am again the evil USA hating guy from Europe / Germany!

If the US wants to play the world moralist, then please also in principle and no matter if friend or enemy ... without distinction! Otherwise, please just shut up in Washingotn DC, because otherwise you make yourself completely ridiculous and implausible!

 

Your argument, aimed at me, makes no sense. I'm part of the group that doesn't want the US to play world priest. I'm not personally invested in the murder of Khashoggi, and I didn't want to get involved in Syria (other than going after ISIS, a sworn enemy). The American people are not all on the same side of this issue, which should be obvious if you've actually read this thread. Take your phony "hypocrisy" bleating somewhere else.

 

Ehm ... phony "hypocrisy"? Interesting how uncomfortable facts are rated!

You come with ISIS ... OK! Are you invited by the legal government of Syria, what - no matter you like it or not - is the Assad regime, to fight ISIS on their soil? No! So why are you again ignoring independence of a sovereign state please?