American ambassador in Germany Richard Grenell insults Germany just hours after taking office

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  1. Sobo

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    Just a few hours after Richard Grenell became the enw american ambassador for the USA in Germany, he insulted Germany and now faces calls by the parliament to be send to our foreign office to be lectured about diplomacy.

    Grenell posted on twitter, that German corporations should end all trade with Iran immideately. He also said Germany should use its power to force Europe to act against Iran.

    The leader of the "Linke" party said, that Grenell must imideatelly be summoned into the foreign office to counter his threat against german corportions.

    SPD chief Andrea Nahles, who is pat of the german government coalition said: "Its not my duty to lecture others about diplomacy, but it appears Mr. Grenell needs some lessons regarding that."

    The leader of the german secuity councel Wolfgang Ischinger said: It is te duty of the american ambassador to explain the american politics to the german people but never try to lecture his host nation about what it should do".

    Ischinger was a german ambassador for many decades and offers Grenell some lessons how a diplomat should behave.

    https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2018-05/richard-grenell-us-botschafter-atomabkommen-kritik

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    Its crazy what strange figures Trump places in office. This guy is a few hours ambassador in my country and already burned.
     
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    Oh? :roflol:
     
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    decades is better? He served 30 years as german ambassador. In german 10 years are called a Jahrzehnt. So i thought century is the right word?
     
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    German corps should end trade with iran

    That along with other boycots might force them to accept a peaceful end to their nuckear ambitions

    But you could point out that US corporations will not want give up their contracts either
     
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    No no no... Centuries impress me more :)
     
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    Grenell at the moemnt gets burned on all german media:

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...ik-in-berlin-an-tweet-zum-iran-a-1206960.html

    "Giving orders" is nothing that is welcome from an ambassador"

    I think something like this never happened before. few hours in office and he already is finished.
     
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    His job is not to look after German interests. His job is to promote American interests. Encouraging business to stop doing business with Iran is in the interests of the U.S. so he did the right thing. Actually, his recommendation is in Germany's interest as well.
     
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    If the germans want to avoid war in the persian gulf - even if they are just hiding under the bed without taking sides - the best way is to deny iran nuclear weapons by international sanctions
     
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    American ambassadors especially to European nations tend to be wealthy supports of the current administration.

    the reasoning behind this is simple: American ambassadors in foreign nations are expected to socialize in their host nations AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE because the State Dept. does not give them a budget for socializing and parties even though lots of vital diplomatic work occurs in these places.

    this was one reason in the 1970s that George H.W. Bush and his wife were pretty happy that he was named to what was effectively ambassador to China because they were afraid the hit they would take financially if they had to finance an ambassadors lifestyle in a European nation.
     
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    He is burned in Germany now and attacked by all political parties here. From left to right. You can call him home already and that after a few hours.

    One doesnt lecture his host nation.
     
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    We have a contract with Iran. We are not breaking a contract and we have a different point of view. By doing sanctions we lose business. By doing sanctions we strengthen the hardliners.

    By doing sanctions we would show that Germany cant be trusted, when we simply step out a contract we signed.
     
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    By doing business you help ensure a nuclear armed iran
     
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    Sounds like they got the message loud and clear. They can act all huffy about it if they want. Not surprised you don’t side with America.
     
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    You have prove for that? All institutions say Iran follows the contract.

    You think you are smarter than we are? You do realize such arrogance leads to nothing? Obviously the points USA brought up were not convincing for Germany.

    Beside that, Irans nuclear facility are actually build by Germany. The centrifuges come from Siemens. And we know they cant be used to enrich Uran to weapon grade. Thats a simple technical fact.

    We see Saudi Arabia as terror regime. You deal with them.

    Why do you think its ok for us to lose business? Will you in return also stop busiess with Saudi Arabia?

    How do you plan to compensate us for the losses?
     
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    You want us to side with you and hurt our own interests?

    We would lose up to 8 billion €. Will you compensate us?
     
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    There is only american interests. All other interests, whether it be germany, or others just don't have relevance, unless your interests dovetail and serve american interests. Now understand, while germany's interests may be also in the interest of the german people, american interests are not like that at all. American interests equals the interests of only our ruling elites, and it has been like that for a very long time. Oh, once our national interests did reflect the interests of the american people, the non elites, but that is all in the past now.

    I think germany should put their own national interests first. I think every nation should do that. After all, surely a primary purpose and reason for existence of any gov't is to serve and look out for its own citizens! Imagine that! Such a quaint idea in the times we live in.
     
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    simply put when Trump is in power, he is gonna bully allies and Non-allies alike. In trump eyes, is either everybody follow him, do what he want or else.
     
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    except isolating UK, France, German are really in US interest ;) They help US in Afahan, Iraq, support US in UN on multiple occasions I guess they wont help us in upcoming Iran war amount other things.
     
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    Why is Germany whining again.....didn't frau Merkel travel to Washington just the other day demand that Trump adhere to the flawed Iran accord? Stupid Merkel thinks Germany is free to lecture but not the US.....screw that!
     
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    Chancellor Merkel made talks with trump behind closed doors. She did not twitter and did not insult USA, like your ambassador does in this case.

    btw your ambassador hurts your interests. After just a few hours in office he united all german parties in the will to stand with the contract with Iran.
     
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    Which is probably a good thing too.
     
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    Well, wasn't that nice of him to unite all the German parties....that makes it easier for us in America to see who's against us. We will see what the future holds....and how well the new warm relationship between Germany and Iran goes....after all, both countries hate Jews and Israel!
     
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    You forgot France and the UK, which also sided with Iran oh and the entire EU.

    You should lecture your new ambassador in diplomacy. You dont give orders to your host country. Very bad style and he now ****ed up. When will you call him back and announce a new one? Grenell is burned.

    And he knows it. He now posts big german flags and basicly says he did not mean it that way.
     
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    It's clear the Trump administration intends to economically punish every ally (but Israel and the Sauds) who doesn't buy into its ridiculous Iran bogeyman.
     

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