American gun deaths

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    MUNEY, MUNEY, MUNEY

    And gun-deaths are not the only "plague" in America.

    There is another, fomented by the drug industry, in the form of Opioid Sales that render adult parents inept. They fall into a stupor.

    From here: The States With The Most (And Least) "Legal" Opioid Sales - excerpt:
    It does not please me IN THE LEAST to keep harping about the problems within which the US finds itself today. In part, the problems are institutional, in part it is the fact that the American people do not understand how they are being manipulated - either politically or medically.

    Yes, a free market-economy is better than socialism. That has been proven true. But, a totally free-market without safeguards is potentially dangerous!

    And why? It's all about the muney, muney, muney and the loosening of oversight as well as the manipulation of central-control of governance (notably by a Dork PotUS who rightfully lost the election!)

    Quo vadis America ... ?
     
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  2. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When people refuse to accept factual economic data with such a spurious rebuttal argument, there is no room for further exchange. THE DEATH RATE DUE TO FIREARMS IN AMERICA IS HIGHLY RELEVANT!

    One has to be blind not to see the pertinent relevance.

    Over and out (on this subject) ...
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Factual economic data?
    You're trying to compare the U.S. with other countries based on the overall average.
    But as you should well know, the U.S. is far more heterogenous than those other countries you like to cherry-pick.

    And why don't we take a little look at that heterogeneity?

    U.S. homicide rates compared to different countries
     
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    Not likely, I don't fit the demographic. Otherwise I like your post.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Suicides aren't gun deaths unless you first provide evidence that every other form of suicide is considered another form of death as well. Show me the rate of rope deaths over the last few years, otherwise counting suicides as gun deaths is disingenuous and nothing more than political posturing...
     
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    According to the CDC hanging/suffocation suicide rate increased 8.5 times as much as firearm suicide rate.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are missing the point actually, suicide is the cause of death the tool used is irrelevant. Only the disingenuous with a political agenda seem to think the tool involved is more important than the suicide itself, those folks don't care about people, only their sick twisted agenda...
     
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    Lots of dumb here but let's try.

    1. Your own graph discounts the premise of your thread. People are killing themselves at a higher rate than all other deaths with guns. No big deal to me what method people use to off themselves.

    2. That $650b defense budget also goes a long way to securing Europe. Propping up the UN, NATO, and Korean interests. I would love to just dump NATO, the UN, and Korea. We should be closing most of our foreign bases.
     
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    States with the highest suicide rate have high gun ownership and lax gun laws
     
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    Short of a total firearms prohibition, there is nothing to prevent an individual from using a firearm for the purpose of ending their own existence.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Harm reduction......not harm elimination
     
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    Totally irrelevant because suicide is a mental health matter, not a legislative one...
     
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    If laws can reduce suicide....and there is evidence they can...it becomes a legislative issue
     
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    Laws can't, you are simply attempting to capitalize on mental health issues to push your insidious gun grabbing agenda. Its intellectually dishonest. You folks only look at one side of the equation, guns used in suicides, you totally ignore guns not used in suicides. So if a gun isn't used in a suicide, is that a prevented suicide?
     
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    Yes in many cases it is
     
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    Clarify please. Is this, 'yes, to further my insidious gun grabbing agenda' or 'yes, all guns not involved in a suicide are a suicide prevented'?
     
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    I'm very insidious. Lol

    Gun control laws can reduce suicides....and that is a good thing
     
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    Gun control laws cannot reduce suicides, suicide isn't a legal matter.
     
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    They can and do
     
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    A lot of what if's don't solve the problem. Dialogue on how to prevent shootings like Broward county are more productive.
     
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    Then address the questions presented about physically preventing a specific activity from being executed.
     
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    Professional heavily armed security stationed at all entrances at each and every school in addition to teams floating around the school perimeter would go a long way to prevent gunmen from entering schools/school grounds.

    This is in addition to metal detectors for the students to enter prior to entering school grounds and internal security patrolling school hallways. That would go a long way in preventing a specific activity from being executed.
     
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    Swat teams on the roof. Body cavity searches. Constant video surveillance. Random locker searches.


    Or maybe gun.control. lol
     
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    That might work as well if you can get the gun huggers to go along with it.
     
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    How so ?
     

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