American Marxism

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  1. Libhater

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    Like any political ideology, the tenets of Marxism can't be summed up with a mere sentence or two. So, the following gives you an idea as to what constitutes Marxist behavior and beliefs as taught by professors to graduate students from the halls of places like Georgetown, Yale, Penn, Brown, and Harvard that have turned those campuses into Marxist indoctrination centers. (My opening)

    Just listen to the moronic beliefs of those receiving degrees from the aforementioned Marxist indoctrination centers. Listen to their utterly illiberal, destructive, moronic nonsense, attacking every pillar of American civilization, such as: Men give birth. capitalism needs to be abolished, saying we are a colorblind society is racist. There are 100 genders. We need socialism or communism. Traditional Western bourgeois values like the nuclear family (Hillary's it takes a village), delayed gratification, merit, hard work, protection of private property, respect for authority (like the police) and traditions, patriotism, saluting-honoring the flag, and religion are forms of white, European patriarchy. America is systemically racist. Big government is kind and compassionate. We need to get rid of our republican form of government and replace it with a pure democracy. Open borders are great. Our Founders were slave-holders. America began in 1619. Hate speech needs to be banned. Our constitution is a document to promote slavery. Human life on Earth will be eradicated if we don't stop using fossil fuels.

    The fruits from almost any campus graduate today are slavish, weak, immature, foolish, ungrateful, demanding Marxist, howling for their next government handout, bemoaning this benighted place they were assigned to at birth, in love with Mommy and Daddy Big Government, uncaring about liberty, keenly focused on their pronoun of the day and next pillar of American civilization to topple.

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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Levin is an idiot. And frankly I've heard more arguments against capitalism from the right than the left in recent years. Marxism is actually a word that has a meaning, and it can be legitimately criticized for a ton of reasons . . . but the looney right just uses it as a catch all for "anything I don't like is Marxism."
     
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    You've heard more arguments against capitalism from the right then from the left? Wow, give me one example. And from all the words, beliefs and or actions by those young degree graduates from our universities (not to mention most of today's older dems)--what part of those actions, beliefs do you find not to be representing a Marxist agenda? You aren't a recent graduate from one of those universities, are you? So you not being from the loony right must mean that you agree with all those forms of Marxism as presented in the OP.
     
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    Recently? Yes. A few years before the rise of anti-Capitalist Trumpism? No. One example? All of Trump's tariffs. All of them. Trumpists are largely against free market principles and advocate protectionism. They've literally called me a "Marxist" for saying Trump isn't capitalist enough. The OP has virtually nothing to do with Marxism. I've spent more time and effort and spilled more ink ACTUALLY arguing against Marxism than almost any Trumpist in the forum ever has.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Unlike Trumpists, I actually understand capitalism and support it. And I actually oppose real Marxism, not the fake version you guys have made up, which is indistinguishable from "Cultural Bolshevism."
     
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    Not all Dems will fess up to their Marxist aims. They just own large stock in Communist China as do the Bidens and Pelosis.
     
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    Nah, I did just fine with econ in grad school. Levin has nothing to teach me about economics. And I don't think you possibly could dumb his lies down even more than they've already been dumbed down. They are intended for an already brainwashed audience incapable of rational reflection. I'm quite a bit more capitalist than he is. Levin preaches Trumpian protectionism . . . the exact sort of philosophy that capitalism arose to combat. (Did you ever wonder why the ONLY economic source that Trump cited on the campaign trail was a leftist think tank? Of course you didn't.) Anyone who has actually bothered to read Wealth of Nations can see that. Instead, he tries going around and labelling any kind of "feminization" or other cultural concern he hates as being a "Marxist" plot to overthrown Western civilization. Historically literate people recognize that this doesn't originate from capitalism or Marxism, but from Nazi propaganda. Like . . . literally. That's where this whole "everything I don't like is Marxism" thing comes from. "Cultural Bolshevism."
     
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    The opposite is true of everything you said there except that marxism deserves criticism. That is certainly true.
     
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    As in real Marxism. Not the fake "cultural Marxist" diatribe that the modern "right" has borrowed from literal Nazi propaganda.

    And, yes, the modern right is becoming more and more anti-capitalist. They are going full protectionist.
     
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    Interesting point you have there. I've listened to Levin a while now . He's one of my favorite comedians, but I'd never really considered the fact that really does convolute economic principle, and cultural spats almost interchangeably.

    I was always just amused by how he plays 3 seconds of audio and then spends 2 minutes stringing words together to call the speaker an idiot without saying anything other than that he disagrees.
     
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    No need to repeat my last response to a post of yours.
     
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    Well, if you want to actually discuss the topic, let me know. If not, continue on.
     
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    I am continuing on.
     
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    And do not wish to discuss the topic. Noted.
     
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    Always cracks me up when Republicans scream and rend their clothes wailing against socialism - then turn around and vote for massive bail-outs for
    the military-industrial complex and coal and farming and banking interests. So tell me another story - they're funny.
     
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    I think you misunderstand. Capitalism doesn’t just require a free market, it requires a free AND FAIR market.

    You do NOT have a free and fair market if both countries are not operating under the same or comparable restrictions.

    Meaning if China is using slave labor to produce goods and your country cannot do so, trading with China is NOT comparable to a capitalistic market because you’re operating in an environment where you have an unfair market.
     
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    It actually doesn't quite work like that. Even with a slave labor market, you could easily achieve comparative advantage. Might even make it easier. The opposition to slave labor is more about morality, not capitalism. I can go into more detail if anyone wants.

    But most of the whole "free and fair" comes from a zero sum interpretation of trade, which capitalism specifically opposes.

    Regardless, it has nothing to do with Marxism.
     
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    Exactly! That is where the globalists come in. They want all markets reduced to the common denominator then Marxism will be the opiate they feed the masses. It is an elitist Paradise!
     
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    Lol, dude, capitalism is inherently globalist. You can't have actual capitalism without globalism.
     
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    Yes you can. Capitalism is not an economic system. Capitalism is NOTHING more than the observation of how a free and fair market operates. Whether that market is a flea market or worldwide trade. No globalism necessary.
     
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    The whole rise of capitalism as a thought system came SPECIFICALLY to defend globalism against protectionism. That's the whole thesis of Wealth of Nations. That was the whole point. To point out the flaws in protectionism/economic nationalism/mercantilism
     
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    Listen to this mental midget. Can you believe this Mr. Producer. This man is obviously a very low IQ individual. Globalism is what the Marxist want! It's been their agenda for decades. I talk about this in American Marxism available on Amazon. It's all about fundamentally altering our society. You wouldn't know that though would you Nancy boy? Of course not just lining up for your government cheese. That's right I said it! That's enough of this baboon Mr. Producer. Go!
     
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    Furthermore, the reason you hear rightists speak against Marxism as an all encompassing ideology is because it is. It’s MORE than just how an economic system should function. It is an ideology about how a society should function.

    Marx was making the argument that the collective is more important than the individual and so the individual should be willing to sacrifice of himself to help the collective.

    So ANYTIME that concept of sacrificing of the individual to benefit the collective is engendered in a conversation, the righty IMMEDIATELY thinks of Marxism. Because that’s what the ideology of the collective has derived itself from.
     
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    Globalism has been the capitalist "agenda" since 1776.
     
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    Lol Sorry I just had to get in a Mark Levin impersonation. I don't disagree with you.
     
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