American Marxism

In the sense that it is an ideology about getting rid of classes/money/the state, then yes, of course.

He was inconsistent on that point, sometimes favoring anarchist individualism. Then again, inconsistency was kind of his thing.

. . . not even remotely correct. The philosophy of collectivism far predates Marxism and only inconsistently relates to it.

Marxism is about something else entirely.

 

Second time today that's tripped me up!

 

But see this is where I think you’re incorrect. You’re viewing capitalism in the same way you view every other economic system.

But it’s not. Every other economic system is predicated upon picking winners and losers in SOME way shape or form. But that’s not what capitalism is.

All capitalism derived from is by taking two or more people and having them engage in economic trade with the only rules being it must be free and fair. When you do that and you put those people together and observe their market interactions. That is capitalism. It is simply how a market works when onerous restrictions are not in place and people are protected from unfair practices. That’s it. That’s all it is.

Capitalism wasn’t created or dreamed up by someone. Capitalism has ALWAYS been around ever since the first humans started trading with one another. And it is the ONLY long-term viable type of market.

 

I don’t disagree collectivism far predates Marx however the modern day collectivists can ALL be traced back to Marx. Including the democrat party.

 

There seems to be a lot of thread topics about Marxism lately. So, where would I go to learn more about it? Of course without getting on the FBI's secret commie list?

 

Not really. Nationalists are collectivists in their own right, for example. There are a lot of forms of collectivism that aren't Marxist and there's a lot to Marxism that isn't collectivism.

 

Dude you go on thinking that way.....you deal with totalitarian countries that enslave their citizens and use their labor to subsidize their national business then they are an example of just what Krushev predicted. "We'll hang you and you will supply the rope". Capitalists don't only promote free trade they promote fair trade. Our current leaders would sell gas to Hitler if they could make a significant profit!

 

I think you nailed it. Furthermore the left establishes the belief there are "perfect individuals" that will lead the collective. This is why Levin calls them "American Marxists". Our Founders, through their Christian Judeo faith, understood that "human nature" is flawed. That is why we need the input from all as a means of checks and balances. That is how our system was derived.

 

A great book!

 

Ah, nope.

 

American Nationalist see the individual as the supreme entity. Sure, they do that as a collective but so what? American Marxists see themselves as several collectives, gender based, race based, sexual orientation based, and Marxist based etc. all owing their allegiance to an elite that know what's best and tells them how to think!

 

No, they don't. The expect national interests to trump individual interests. Protectionism is anti-individualist.

So now collectivism doesn't matter? I thought you said that all collectivists are Marxists.

If that's the narrative you need, cool. You do you, fam. You could also just go figure out what Marxism actually teaches.

 

Not true at all. Our American national interests respects the individual as evidenced in our Documents. Fair trade is not protectionism.

A collective that entrusts "INDIVIDUALS" with their individual liberty is not a collectivist state. You also said "
You could also just go figure out what Marxism actually teaches" I know what Marxism teaches. It is a godless system that tramples on the individual in favor of the elite that enforce the system as well as a collective. Yardmeat, I perceive you are a "collectivist" and you may actually prefer Marxism. Either one, they all go down the same road.

 

Levin is irrefutably the most well read, professorial, intelligent, and politically savvy pundit and talk show host we have. I'm not sure who or what the "right" is, but there might be a few RINOs that are tepid toward capitalism, and no constitutional conservatives who are not strong supporters of capitalism, compared to the millions on the left that despise capitalism and adore marxism (by some other moniker)..

 

He's a moronic shock jock.

I'm talking about the Trump movement.

Trump supporters are not supporters of capitalism. But I would agree that Trump supporters are not constitutional conservatives.

If conservatives would go back to at least paying lip service to liking capitalism, instead of lifting up Trumpist protectionism, I welcome that. But the Republican party and the conservative movement abandoned capitalism under Trump, and they won't turn back until they wipe themselves of his stain.

 

"Fair trade" is a leftist movement that the right tried to coop when they decided that protectionism was favorable to free markets.

Economic nationalism does not entrust individuals with liberty. It forces them to sacrifice their liberty for the state collective.

I'm sorry that me being more anti-Marxist and pro-capitalist than you has caused you such confusion. But there's a reason why I can actually talk about economic systems and their philosophical basis and you keep making contradictory **** up.

 

Marxism is an economic theory and I use the word "theory" because it doesn't exist in reality.
Almost all of the list int eh OP Has nothing to do with Marxism.
Further, I would suggest that in universities such as the ones mentioned, such "teachings" will be heavily debated.
Don't worry...your sky isn't falling in yet.

 

Utterly inane post.

 

Yet objectively true. Funny how that works.

 

You keep on babbling on about "protectionism". Is it because you see nothing wrong with doing business with Nations that subsidize their produce with slave labor they keep in goolags? I think that's the case.

 

American Marxism is not exactly the economic theory you describe. I would call it "incremental Marxism". You are correct in that true Marxism never works because it doesn't take into account the nature of humankind. American Marxism divides individuals into collectives (race gender, sexual preference, culture etc.) in order to regulate and maintain by an elitist class. It is best described as advancement of a collectivist state ruled by an "elite class".

 

Yeah, the old divide and conquer routine.

 

Then why is it all your posts advocate FOR Marxism? And simply saying "Trump" is not an answer to the question asked of you.

 

People divide themselves and each one seeks to order and regulate the other.
It is sociologically inevitable that the wealthiest and best connected "elite" will win the day. However that position may change through time. Changes in the sources of wealth, in priorities or in politics can change eligtes...ie wealth was made when North Sea oil was discovered but that "elite" is being chewed way at by the new concern for the environment and reduction in the use of fossil fuels.
The existence of an "elite" isn't Marxism...far from it. It is in fact the antithesis of Marxism.

 

Marxism depends on an "elite" to direct it's minions. American individualism consists of proud productive individuals exercising their individual "God given" talents. They need no direction from an "elite" that pretends to know what's best for them. It's called freedom! We used to be that "melting pot" of individuals until the left induced "Class Warfare! Our middles class was the largest in the world! You just don't go out, start a business of your choice, take the risk and reap the profits under any current form of Marxism! It is getting increasingly hard to do that here!
A micro example: The BLM was started by an elite Marxist class that divided by race mostly, then produced a money making machine that actually produced nothing but propaganda from it's minions. It made millions! When this machine reached it's pinnacle, this elite bought property with it's profits and abandoned them. All it left was destruction!