American society is sick and VILE. That's our problem.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Teutorian, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. Teutorian

    Teutorian New Member

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    I was born in 1980. I was a teenager in the 90's. It started then. People of my age group will understand what I'm talking about. The music, the entertainment, the this, the that. We had some perspective, though. Unless we were complete idiots, the youth culture that this degenerate rubbish inspired was a teenage fashion we would soon grow out of. We had perspective because we did know an America that existed and in large part still existed and so we knew how to conduct ourselves and how not to.

    Imagine, though, that you were born in 1990, and this twisted, sick, vile, culturally WORTHLESS, entertainment saturated, disconnected, internet loud mouth, pornography addicted, facebook update society is all you know. Where's your perspective? Are current generations of Americans supposed to think back to an America THEY NEVER KNEW to get their morals? How? It doesn't exist.

    I lay the blame at the feet of the media-barons. If what you're watching, or listening to, or playing, or buying tickets for, isn't completely culturally worthless, which is often the best case scenario, it's culturally destructive, and this DEFINES the American today, and as we as "regular people" become more degenerate with each passing decade, the bar is moved further for our most deranged.

    I recently moved. In the two weeks I didn't have cable I was passing my free time with a digital antenna. To my surprise, the television programs that are on at 12 in the afternoon are more full of degenerates and complete trash than the television programs that are on at 12 at night. Even some of the content on "kids shows", like on the Disney Channel, are more `adult content` than adult content was in the 1950's or 1960's.
    Where's their perspective?

    Pathetic. Just pathetic.

    I weep for what this nation will look like in one hundred years. The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave will be some nation of sociopaths eating each other, straight out of a worst-case-scenario "the future" movie from the 80's.

    The whole country has been falling to absolute pieces for decades and when we have a Presidential election otherwise intelligent adults put on their (R) and (D) uniforms and start wanting to beat each other to death over gay marriage & Bain capital.

    Nice.

    American culture has a disgusting underbelly that's been growing and growing and growing and growing over the last few decades and it won't be long now before it swallows us all. You can thank your media and entertainment industry for that.

    There are a countless number of other nations on this planet we pretend to be superior to. Some we even call "evil", and yet they produce societies where even their most deranged wouldn't run into a school and start slaughtering little children.

    I have no idea what we've become. I wouldn't even know how to properly classify it. What I do know is that far too many American families (or parents, I should say) have completely FAILED their children and they don't even know why, because in more subtle ways, their parents failed them. I know that the entertainment industry, which completely saturates us twenty-four hours a day, saturates us with very little that could be considered beneficial to society and much with ideological content (or just straight up trash) that's completely destructive to it. I know this is the world many of us now live in. More importantly, I know this is the world a growing number of people will have ALWAYS lived in.

    And so what's the answer? Apparently it is to give up more liberty... in the name of security... and that will solve everything.

    The reality is, there is no answer. Nothing will change. The American people, by and large, no longer possess the character to change what must be changed. We're going to cry for the families of the victims, listen to the dramatic, sorrowful music playing on Foxnews and CNN, declare our solidarity with the people of Newton, and then we're going to go watch Django Unchained at the movie theaters, and that's just who we are.
     
  2. cm75

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    I'm just a few years older than you,born in 1975,so what you speak of sounds pretty true to me also. I really think the fault is with the parents. That's my take of it anyway.
     
  3. johnsmite

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    I agree.

    I call it "me phi me"

    For black America at least it began in the 70s spread in the 80s and became an epidemic in the mid 90s-2000s
     
  4. mister magoo

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    I think the need for both parents to work was the commencement of the disintegration of the family unit, as it completely destroyed the natural balance of the family unit. Having said that I raised three sons by myself and they grew up decent human beings...a lot of real life problem scenarios shown on TV have me asking..."where's the father"....there is a lack of discipline whenever there is a problem, and that lack of discipline begins at home and becomes a lack of respect....which is the guts of the whole cultural problem in America.....no-one respects anyone...human beings are not valued as they once were....

    I often see gun programmes in Australia on TV, produced in America, where the thrust of the programme is to make, or repair various weapons and then take them outside and blast targets to pieces...the odd part of the programmes (Sons of Guns is one) is the odd, somewhat sinister comments made by the gun owners such as "thats beautiful"....how can a handgun be "beautiful"...!!!
    This is usually accompanied by the participants gazing admirably at the weapon as though its gold plated....
    Gun ownership in America is promoted, encouraged and praised by all concerned, and whilst that attitude exists, nothing
    will change......nothing.....
     
  5. RtWngaFraud

    RtWngaFraud Banned

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    You can thank corporate raiders for the condition of society.
     
  6. Marshal

    Marshal New Member Past Donor

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    You are correct. Look... In countries where child labour is permitted, there is an initial bubble followed by stabilization of the economy requiring full employment of the household to sustain itself.

    After the US transition to full parent employment, the economy stabilized against the double of liquid cash, and inflation drove accumulation of wealth by single individuals into the realm of impossibility.

    It requires 2 people and 2,3 jobs to sustain the household and there is no money for a midwife.

    As a result, the TV is placed on channel one and junior is sat in front of it to self vegetate. Myself I noticed behaviour problems and now I am helping with more books and construction kits.

    When daddy is busy flying predator drones, and mommy is busy finding children to drop bombs on, the American child probably sits at home with a Big Mac stuck in his mouth. He wishes for attention.
     
  7. mister magoo

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    Yes....and what makes it worse now is the networking available to children now by way of Skype, sms, Ipod, facebook...kids take their phone to school and use them in class although they are banned...My grandson told me of an incident where a girls phone was confiscated for a breach of the school rules...the result...her parents arrived at the school....with the Police...the phone was given back...the kids have all the power now
    because their networking makes them stronger...what do you do ...take the phone off them.....yes....thats called discipline.....but if theres
    no-one strong enough to do that...the kids become brazen and impudent....and disrespectful.....and the cycle begins...a few years later, when
    its too late...the kid is an arrogant adult.......whats the answer......efficient parenting.....
     
  8. SiliconMagician

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    There is no answer at all. As long as this keeps happening:

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    Anyone who brings a child into this civilization is committing a crime against humanity.
     
  9. ragin cajun

    ragin cajun New Member

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    ^^^typical brilliant *******ian post. "corporate raiders" LOL Why didn't you use "robber barons" ?

    You cannot be as ignorant as your posts, can you?
     
  10. Iolo

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    There are no robber barons any more - they all moved to America and waste their time there defending the indefensible and ranting extreme-right nonsense when they are not acting as corporate raiders.
     
  11. dujac

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    i was born in 1958

    people were saying the same sort of thing back then

    it's not any more true now than it was back then
     
  12. mikezila

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    what was the problem in 1927?
     
  13. dujac

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    some nut case didn't want his tax money to go to a new school
     
  14. Dr. Righteous

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    There are always robber barons everywhere. You are delusional if you believe otherwise. The question is - do we want to setup a free market capitalist system where robber barons try to eat each other, or do we want to set up a corporatist or socialist system where the robber barons team up together to become the government and eat taxpayers?
     
  15. Iolo

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    I believe in a socialist democracy run by working people myself. Only Americans vote for robber barons, even now - but of course I meant titled armed thieves, and nowadays they are quiet tame and just draw dividends from our stupidity. All capitalist governments, as everyone except Republican yesmen know, are run by and for the capitalists, always.
     
  16. Marine1

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    Oh yes it is. Back in the 1950's I knew of no one on drugs, even though I knew they were around. Back then we didn't have the kind of movies and television shows that showed the kind of killing we have today. There were no music out then that talked of killing cops or raping your mother. Sex was never played up like you see it today. Parents and schools were both allowed to discipline the kids. Religion was big in most people's lives. We didn't have locks for bikes or alarms on our cars. No such thing of having more than one lock on your door. The 50's was nothing like it is today.
     
  17. Ex-lib

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    Good observation.

    However, it started before that. In fact, it is the tendency of human thinking to degrade itself, unless controlled by a belief in morality, so it really started long, long ago. We'll recover from this when we've suffered enough from it.

    BUT, there are certain periods where it accelerates quickly. I agree with you that the 90's was one of those, and was very bad.

    I personally see it as taking a HUGE turn in the 60's when so many people started using drugs. The belief that life isn't fun enough to live without drugs, is a serious problem.
     
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    You're right Marine. If people wonder what a belief in God is good for, your post illustrates it.

    From my viewpoint, the entire problem is lack of belief in God, to whatever degree; that is the whole issue.
     
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    If you are really interested in the answer, you must realize that the enemy is mental, as I think you already know. The enemy is an outlook on things.

    And no offense, you didn't mean it, and I can tell you care, but your statement
    that "The reality is, there is no answer. Nothing will change." is the enemy.

    The enemy is thoughts which do not believe that every problem is solvable with a change of thought. YOUR change of thought doesn't need to be that wild sex, or bloody and violent behavior in movies and music is good. You already know that it isn't good.

    YOUR change of thought needs to be that there IS an answer.

    Believe me and give it a try. :) If there is a God, the only way that It/He/She has anything to do with the human material plane is through the thoughts which the individual entertains.

    Entertain thoughts that are Godlike. Ability is Godlike. The ability to obtain good outcomes is Godlike. Keep those things in thought and you will see them come to fruition in the human material plane for you. And for all. :)
     
  20. Stagnant

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    I think it's important to note that this argument is literally older than Christ.


    "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
    authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
    of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
    households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
    contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
    at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

    That's from Plato. To the elders, society is always getting worse, because of the nostalgia factor. Have things changed? Yeah, but whereas today we have music about killing cops or smoking dope, back in the day we had songs about statutory rape, drug abuse, and... um... songs about killing cops by none other than The Boss himself. Do we have a drug problem now? Well, more kids than ever are smoking weed, but that's... really not as much of a problem as one would think. How about the figures for other hard drugs? I'm not picking up anything, but I didn't spend too long looking. Have kids television programs declined? Yes. Full stop. This one you can have; the decline in palatable children's programming has become utterly appalling, and I say this as someone who genuinely enjoys "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" - I'm not a huge cartoon snob, nor am I restricted to "old" cartoons (Adventure Time is quite possibly the greatest thing ever). Jesus, I could write for days about how much TV has gone to (*)(*)(*)(*) with a few slight exceptions, but I'm going off on a tangent. The fact is, this argument has always been around, and it's never really worked.
     
  21. Unifier

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    BINGO! It's all about character. Or lack thereof.
     
  22. OhZone

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    Belief in God has nothing to do with it.
    We are being manipulated by design.
    Our schools have been dumbing our kids down for many years now.

    Our kids are controlled by the media. And you might wonder who controls the media and who it is that is out for total word domination.

    This is a book that explains much.
    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/manipulation/index.htm

    THE BROTHERHOOD AND THE
    MANIPULATION OF SOCIETY
    by
    Ivan Fraser and Mark Beeston

    As with all grand plans there are many threads to the web.
     
  23. Unifier

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    The first part of this is spot on. But the second part took a sharp turn way off into left field somewhere. Lack of discipline and lack of respect are the primary culprits, no doubt. And the rise of this is due in large part to the disintegration of the family unit and the disappearance of fathers from the home.

    Everyone identifies with the bad guy today. We routinely use emotion to rationalize bad and destructive behavior. To dehumanize others. To treat them like trash. Because we no longer value ourselves, and it becomes this endless cycle of kick the dog. People with genuine self-esteem take no joy in hurting others. But damaged people need to tear others down to lift themselves up. And in a society that preaches moral relativism, any attempt to wake people up out of their miserable habits is attacked as "pushing morals on other people." To put it simply, we're all in love with our problems and we've made identities out of them. It's the worst case of Stockholm syndrome on a mass cultural level.


    The problem is that the people with morals feel this way because they don’t want to punish innocent children by bringing them into such a messed up world. But the people with no morals keep multiplying like rabbits. And so what we end up with is more (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up people, fewer well adjusted people, and an even more (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up world. Because goodness, decency, and respect are quite literally being bred out of existence as the species slowly reverts back to savagery.

    Perhaps this is just part of a natural cycle. From primitiveness, man develops will power and work ethic and strives to build a better quality life for himself. Over generations, he develops character which allows him new opportunities for luxury. Then eventually, he reaches a place of too much luxury and not enough challenge and becomes bored by the ease of his environment and loses his edge, stops growing, and begins to atrophy. He then no longer remembers the value of will power, work ethic, and character and begins to start tearing down everything he’s built in an incremental infantile tantrum. And ultimately, his luxurious environment crumbles around him back into primitiveness because he had no understanding of what it took to build or maintain it. And then he starts back at zero again until he once again becomes motivated by the (*)(*)(*)(*)tiness of his environment to better himself.

    I try not to be cynical, but I do sometimes wonder if we didn’t just get born into the back half of the cycle. Seems like everything peaked somewhere between the 50s and the 80s, and we’re on our way back down now.
     
  24. Serfin' USA

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    Apparently, a lot of people in this thread agree with Osama Bin Laden's view of America.
     

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