Americans overwhelmingly support free trade as concern grows about Trump’s economy: NBC/WSJ poll

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  1. Observing

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    Then how do you get them to the negotiation table? or are you willing to summer 400 bill dollar deficits for as long as they drag their feet?

    Now Trump did go about the tariffs wrong. He should have gotten a coalition of partners together and then went after China. A coalition of Australia, Canada, Brazil and the EU and then went after them. Then they could have free access to the China Market that the Chinese have to ours. Till then, we Import 550 bill they import 150 bill we see who cries uncle first. Or you mad because you have to pay another $100 for your phone? While we create an economic and military superpower under control by dictators.
     
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    America cannot benefit, Observing, with Trump's approach.

    The coalition approach is the correct protocol, I agree.
     
  3. struth

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    There is nothing to worry about with the current economy. Some in the leftist propgranda machine have attempted to try and make issues, where there is none...for example, claiming farm bankrupties are up, when on it's in one region, while in comparison across the nation it's down.

    Moreover, Wall Street economics towards the end of last week have been marking up their forecast for the 3rd and 4th qtr.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/eco...-than-the-bond-markets-recession-warning.html

    • Economists ratcheted up their GDP forecasts for the third quarter to a median 2.1% after a batch of better-than-expected data, according to to the CNBC/Moody’s Analytics Rapid Update.
    • The data paints a picture of an economy that looks nowhere near as bad as recent action in the bond market would suggest, and economists say it’s the strength of the U.S. consumer driving the economy
    • The manufacturing sector does show signs of strain, but the consumer is two-thirds of the economy and it is pulling its weight.
     
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    No "leftist propaganda machine" exists, only the far right and alt-right pundits and orgs that will protect Trump at all costs.

    Go read on CNBC.com daily to figure out what is happening.
     
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    The Dow soared Monday as investors grew increasingly optimistic about a potential resolution to the the trade war and a limit to its economic fallout.

    Although Trump has repeatedly fanned the trade war flames, he tweeted Sunday that the United States and China were "talking." He also tried to tamp down recession fears, tweeting that an end of the trade war would help boost the US economy.

    I am surprised, after over 10,000 lies, Wall Street still believes Trump without supporting data. On the other hand, I am happy about that. Contrary to what Trump supporters say, I don't want a recession for political reasons. Anyone who wants a recession is an idiot.

    Of course it stands to reason Wall Street CEO's, who are mostly Republican, want to believe the Republican President. They don't want to believe Trump is harming the economy. After all, Trump changed his mind on the 10% tariffs to save his ass. That's worth something.
     
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    We will be more safe from a recession if Trump is convinced that tariffs hurt him more in the public's mind, thus harming his chance for re-election.
     
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    On August 1, Trump announced a 10% tariff on $300B of Chinese goods popular with the American consumer. That week was the worst week of 2019 on Wall Street. The following Monday, August 5, was, at the time, the worst day of 2019.

    Things were getting so bad, on August 13, Trump backed off on the 10% tariff. Stocks rebounded, but not for long. On August 14, the Dow lost over 800 points and that became the new worst day for 2019.

    Currently, after a 300 point rally Friday and a 250 point rally today, we are only 425 points higher than we were five months ago. https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/359798/stock-market-news-for-mar-15-2019

    As everyone can plainly see, all that took place within two weeks, and every bit of it was caused by Trump's trade war with China and his harsh tariffs, whether they became real or not.

    This didn't stop Trump from lying through his teeth about who was responsible. He talks only to his base, and his gullible base believes every word of it.

    Denying the reality of the economic setbacks on Wall Street, Trump said, "Our Economy is very strong." Then he immediately changed his tune and hinted at a recession, blaming the Fed for "horrendous lack of vision by Jay Powell and the Fed."

    Then he blamed the Democrats. He said, "the Democrats are trying to 'will' the Economy to be bad for purposes of the 2020 Election." He was lying, offering no evidence to support that claim. He just made it up.

    While he was at it, Trump then blamed the media. “The Fake News Media is doing everything they can to crash the economy because they think that will be bad for me and my re-election,” Trump tweeted. He made that up, too.

    But, if "Our Economy is very strong" what is Trump talking about? I doubt he knows.

    Insisting that the world is against him, Trump blames Google for voter fraud.

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    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump


    Wow, Report Just Out! Google manipulated from 2.6 million to 16 million votes for Hillary Clinton in 2016 Election! This was put out by a Clinton supporter, not a Trump Supporter! Google should be sued. My victory was even bigger than thought! @JudicialWatch

    8:52 AM - Aug 19, 2019

    :banana::clapping::roflol:

    I rest my case. Trump is not a well man. More and more he is sounding like a man with a paranoid psychosis.
     
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    Trump may well be psychotic.
     
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    Trump’s long-simmering frustration with Fox News boiled over Sunday night, after the network posted another 2020 presidential poll showing him losing to every one of the Democratic front-runners in a potential matchup. “Fox has changed, and my worst polls have always been from Fox,” Trump told reporters on Sunday as he left his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. “There’s something going on at Fox. I’ll tell you right now. And I’m not happy with it.”

    :banana::clapping::applause:

    There isn't anything wrong at Fox.
     
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    Fox tells the truth and Trump cries.
     
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    How do we put the world into recession by placing tariffs on chinese goods, I see how we can put them into a recession.
     
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    It is difficult to argue that Fox viewers would have a negative bias towards Trump relative to the rest of the nation. The reverse is likely true such that the real number is higher than 59%.

    Trumps campaign rhetoric during the last cycle was something unique - even if off-puting to many. Trump also got the benefit of the doubt because he had no previous political track record. That rhetoric is now tiresome to many .. just more BS from another platitude spewing politician.

    Trump's story is now far more limited. He can no longer run on "we need cut the deficit and deal with the debt". Not sure if there are many fiscal conservatives on the right or middle but this is one area where Trump is a massive failure.

    His GDP above 4-5% prognostication due to the "tax cuts" has turned out to be horribly wrong. We had a slight bump up (in part due to a massive increase in credit card/deficit spending) as is expected when you put nitrous oxide into an engine - but this is short term gains for long term pain.

    I stated this at the time but no credit for being a prophet is warranted - one did not need a crystal ball to make that prediction.

    The Atlanta Fed now has GDP growth at 1.9%.

    There are numerous other *****s in Trumps armor this time around - ones that will not be easy to deal with. It will be an uphill battle.
     
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    What happened to Trump's lofty predictions that his fabled economic policy (no taxes, no regulations) would cause GDP's of 4, 5 or even 6 percent! Now it's scraping along at 2%, pretty much as the last ten years. What happened? Oh wait, I know, the FED did it, the Democrats did it, the media did it, progressives did it, Biden did it, Warren did it, the Spaghetti Monster did it.
     
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    If there is an economic slowdown prior to the next election all these factors become cumulative and Trumps chances for re-election go way down.
     
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