Americans Still Favor Private Healthcare System

I acknowledge for the second time that you have no argument to rebut the peer reviewed paper I provided. I accept your concession.

 

People on Medicaid love it. It’s totally free for them. It’s an empirical fact single payer systems provide better care at a fraction of the cost of our private insurance system.

 

Single payer systems are empirically superior to our system.

https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

 

That was 3 options from the same provider. Most likely a high deductible for a lower cost. A middle and one with
an 80/20 with what a 1000 deductible?

 

I do not need specialist wo referral. I chose my plan based on other factors and am pleased with cost, service, and expertise available to me in that plan and so have no reason to change

that said, one big problem i see with our system is that it is very complex to understand all the options available and which would be best for my circumstance. I am a reasonably intelligent person and i find this to be a challenge. I have to think that many others find this to be even more difficult

 

Medicaid is the most refused form of "insurance" among health care providers.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/12/28/medicaid-physicians-social-contract/
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/ar...last-in-line-when-docs-accepting-new-patients
https://www.macpac.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Physician-Acceptance-of-New-Medicaid-Patients.pdf

I could literally go on posting links, but hey, it's free. Who cares if doctors won't see you lol.

Then why the argument? You saying you can't see a specialist without seeing your GP first in no way validates the fact that millions of Americans can and Canadians cannot.

 

The US dominates globally in long term survival rates for cancer patients and organ transplants. The biggest problem with health care in the US is accessibility, but acknowledging that care is great here and restricting the argument to access blows their narrative all to hell. It's easier to just point out life expectancy.

 

Nothing here contradicted a thing I said.

 

It's hard to love medicaid if doctors won't see you.

 

look, no one has to sign up gor medicare. If you dont like it, dont sign up

i think people do sign up for a reason

Canadians can also, just under private practice

 

Trump's FDA approving wave of generic drugs to lower drug prices ...
https://www.axios.com/drug-prices-generic-trump......

Oct 23, 2018 - It approved 90% more generic drugs in fiscal year 2018 than 2014. ... One of the Trump administration's most concrete efforts to lower drug prices.By the numbers: FDA approved 781 generic drugs in fiscal 2018.


Drug Prices Will Now Be Listed in Television Ads | Time

Time.com/5586552/drug-prices-television-ads
May 09, 2019 · Drug companies will soon be required to include their prices in television ads, in an effort to drive down costs and boost transparency. TV Ads for Drugs Must Now Include Prices. It's the Latest .


No surprise medical bills.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=450521079085682

Trumpp signs law requiring hospitals to be up front on their charges so people are not surprised at the bill when they get it.

Trump signs bill giving terminally ill patients 'right to try ...
www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/...
President Trump on Wednesday signed legislation into law that gives patients the “right to try” experimental drugs, to give them a chance to live, or at least extend their life, cementing a major policy priority for the White House. ... Trump signs bill ..
Here Trump started free or affordable child care for single low income mothers. This was because of the urging of Trump's Daughter Ivanka. https://freefinancialhelp.net/free-childcare-assistance/

Trump signs Autism bill

Trump signs autism legislation into law providing $1.8B in research funding. There is no medical test available to diagnose autism. Autism is diagnosed by observing the development of a child, according to the CDC. Characteristics of autism were studied as symptoms of schizophrenia in the early 1900's. Rep. Smith says the bill will fund research, early detection and treatment for autism spectrum disorder. Oct 2 2019

Reference: ://www.wtsp.com/.../trump-signs.../507-70e3e773-3fe4-4d7…



Trump's new rule will give businesses and workers better health care options


When President Trump took office, small businesses and hard-working, middle-class families were finding it increasingly difficult to afford health insurance. The Trump administration has already taken significant steps to help, and Thursday we took another one. A new Trump administration rule will provide an estimated 800,000 businesses a better way to offer coverage and millions of workers a better way to obtain coverage, through the expansion of Health Reimbursement Arrangements (HRAs).

HRAs are employer-funded arrangements that workers use to pay for medical expenses. The Obama administration forbade workers in the individual insurance market to use HRAs to pay for coverage — significantly impeding employer flexibility and worker choice. Trump's new rule undoes this misguided restriction.
Starting on January 1, 2020, employers will be able to offer their workers HRAs to buy individual market coverage for themselves and their families. The administration's new rule addresses a major inequity by, in effect, providing the same tax advantage that traditional employer-sponsored group plans receive — exclusion of premiums from federal income or payroll taxes — to coverage that workers in the individual market purchase from an HRA.
The rule will significantly expand worker options since 80% of firms that provide insurance currently offer only one type of plan. Now, workers will be able to use tax-advantaged money from their employers to buy coverage of their choosing. This new flexibility will allow people to maintain their coverage when they switch jobs.
More Markets & Economy Perspectives
In particular, this new rule should help small business workers by making it possible for employers to fund coverage with less hassle and cost than maintaining a traditional group health plan. Between 2010 and 2018, the proportion of workers at firms with three to 49 workers covered by an employer plan fell by more than 25%. This rule should help reverse that decline. The rule also makes it easier for small businesses to compete with larger businesses for talent. Read more



https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/pers...x9fj0WeTr3ZQ9AbDCz5ay1eWdRXVHOYr98P2yCnshbpr0

 

I agree. People who have no health care will sign up for anything. It's garbage though. Doctors will cancel appointments with Medicaid patients to accommodate patients with private insurance.

But we're comparing the private system in the US to the public one in Canada.

In the UK, there are different queues for NHS patients and private insurance patients. Any idea which one goes faster?

 

this may be true for some
But i can say it has never been my experience over 5 years and several hospital visits and various specialists visits

it is hard to know what we are comparing since a large part of the us system is public. And since even more is managed care that is very similar to public systems...ie i had kaiser employer sponsored hmo before 65, then obama care kaiser, then kaiser medicare coverage after 65 and saw no differences .... then transferred to a different medicare plan and like it better than kaiser before obamacare, better than kaiser under Obamacare, and better than kaiser under medicare..... , and many people consider both obanacare and private insurance to be so heavily regulated as to functionally be equivalent to non private care

Any idea which costs more?

i can buy a used Toyota corolla, or a new MercedesAMG. I think most people would prefer driving the mecedes. And yet toyota sells far more cars. I wonder why?

 

So you think I just made this up?

 

I don’t have a family plan, I’m a single adult.
Nothing I posted is true?
Well ok then I guess you know my medical records better than I do.
This is what’s scary, there are people like this who believe this isn’t occurring and the Democratic party is going to make things better.

 

Your “peer review” is a joke.

 

The best place on the planet to be ill is in the U.S.

 

It's cute that you would classify health care in the US as "private sector".

 

lots of doctors see you. So do hospitals.

 

Then your max out of pocket would have been $6,000. So, as I said, you did not pay $25k out of pocket.

no

I know your insurance better than you do. You did not pay $25k for a foot surgery. Nor did your premiums magically go down under trump.

facts are a bitch sometimes. The facts show your claims to be abject nonsense.

 

No. I think you embellished the truth to further your political view.

 

How would you classify the Health Care providers? Public sector workers are directly employed by a Government entity. All else are private sector workers. How would you classify Health Care workers?

 

Americans Still Favor Private Healthcare System
With private insurance companies:
*Much of the expense of healthcare goes toward insurance company profits rather than health care, which raises our personal expenses
*What can be covered by the insurance is determined by accountants rather than by patient needs or their doctors
*Patients without insurance coverage often do without treatment
* Uninsured patients costs are covered by us thru increased costs per procedure, adding to the overall expense of healthcare

With Universal healthcare:
*Everyone is covered & has access to doctors as needed
*Personal costs should decrease substantially
*If properly written, whatever procedure that is needed would be covered. . .based on need
*There would be no deductibles required
*If covered under government expense, there would be no monthly premium payments
*Since company profits would be eliminated, the total costs for everything should go down considerably
*Could be written to allow private insurers to add extra coverage at personal expense (like now) if desired

Why would anyone want to keep the old, expensive system that promotes company profits & allows an accountant to determine what treatments you are allowed to have?

 

As a government cartel.

Here's a fun thing to try. Try hanging out a shingle and start performing medical services. See how that goes for you.

 

It's the Health Care Providers industrial complex. They may be colluding with the Russians or the Canadians.