Americans vs the american government

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have said ten thousand times that the federal government didn't even properly amend the constitution. Federal gun control based on the Commerce Clause is perhaps the biggest fraud perpetrated on the public by the odious FDR administration and the cowardly pet monkeys that were on the supreme court at the time
     
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    Perhaps another appointee or two by Donald Trump will resolve that matter, considering what is known about Niel Gorsuch.
     
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    That is correct. They do not care
     
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    You have an opinion. Another opinion has withstood your entire lifetime. It's not yours. Lol
     
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    Then there is no further point in yourself speaking in this discussion. If thirty thousand deal annually, and numerous school shootings could not even motivation the administration of Barack Obama to implement new firearm-related restrictions in response, the matter is completely hopeless. No new legislation will apparently come about, so there is no point in bothering to call for it. There is no point in even talking about how government supposedly has the authority, if they possess no interest whatsoever in actually utilizing it.
     
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    Blaming the Obama administration for the rabid obstruction of the GOP and the NRA is disingenuous.
     
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    For the first two years of the administration of Barack Obama, the democratic party held the majority in both the house and the senate. They managed to enact the affordable care act into law without a single republican vote of support. They possessed the perfect opportunity to implement whatever firearm-related restrictions the party so wished to see. But they did not. They utilized their supposed super-majority power once and only once, and that was to implement the affordable care act. After such, the tactic was never tried again on their part.

    It is their own fault, not that of anyone else.
     
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    The issue of background checks only arose AFTER 2010!
     
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    Background checks on all private sales have been discussed since long before that point in time.

    Even if they did not, the argument being presented currently, is that the federal government has the total authority to regulate firearms in whatever manner they see fit, on the basis of regulating interstate commerce. So it is being asked, if such authority truly does exist, why has the federal government, for the last seventy five years, refused to outlaw the ownership of handguns under all circumstances, on the basis of regulating interstate commerce, since their mere existence is linked to so many annual deaths?
     
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    Inane deflection!

    Politicians REACT according to public sentiment.

    The gruesome shootings that renewed the call for effective background checks only occurred AFTER 2010.

    Prior to that the Dems had their hands full trying to fix the BROKEN healthcare system that was the #1 priority of the American people.
     
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    Which gruesome shootings initiated the need for background checks?

    Healthcare didn't seem to be the top priority.

    http://www.people-press.org/2008/08/21/section-3-issues-and-the-2008-election/

    It wasn't even the number one issue for Democratic voters, much less swing voters and Republicans.
     
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    New legislation comes about all the time. It came about in the last election. Gun control is coming. It is inevitable
     
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    And so is civil war.
     
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    So be it.
     
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    Who wants another civil war?

    No one on the left is advocating for a civil war that I am aware of.
     
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    Ever hear of Antifa?
     
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    Please quote the national leaders of Antifa demanding a civil war and while you are at it the amount of public support there is behind such an initiative.
     
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    So be it
     
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    Present it for review. Demonstrate what actually came about pertaining to firearm-related restrictions.
     
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    Google is your friend
     
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    Then actually site the legislation that was supposedly enacted.
     
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    He can provide no citations.
    Because there are none.
     
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    You think I can find no evidence of gun control passed in the last election? I feel like a bet coming on...you up for this?
     
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    You can't.......
     
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    Great so are you willing to bet? You post whatever I say if I win I will post whatever you say if you win. Deal?
     

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