America's disenfranchised 'democracy'.

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    Let's first start off with this disclaimer: This has zero, nada to do with former President Donald Trump. It has everything to do with the state of affairs in our country. Call it a State of the Union Address by me personally. Okay, so what do I mean by the title our disenfranchised democracy?

    Well, let's first start with this bad boy .https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/529080-us-election-spending-exceeds-gdp-of-numerous-countries. Election spending has always been bad, I've always called us a plutocracy and the very last vestiges of proof of plutocracy is when money rules politics. In this election cycle, a candidate for President(Michael Bloomberg) bragged that he brought the entire Congress, on national television. In front of the whole country.

    For Liberals who rally against oil tycoons and fat cats this should have been a red line. It should have been for massive calls of reform in their party. But silence, absolute silence. Warren tried putting lipstick on that pig, but Bloomberg's big mouth exposed the reality of her party.

    And to be clear, the GOP has its hand in here too(but as Ted Cruz showed in the Barrett hearings, not nearly as much.) But it doesn't matter whether it's a little or a lot. Dark money not only is in American Politics, it rules it. It controls it.

    That does disenfranchise the American voter, and not just for the reasons Progressives mention. It disenfranchises ALL of us in the most important way: Running for office itself. We're not millionaires or billionaires like Trump, we don't have connections to millionaires or billionaires. And so, it gets further and further away from anything even remotely approaching a civilian form of government.

    The last non-millionaire to occupy the Presidency according to Wiki(take it for what it's worth) is Harry S. Truman! Nearly a half century ago! This isn't just a problem, it's a catastrophe.

    We civilians should be able to run for the government. It shouldn't be priced out of our reach. There's middle class citizens, and even poor citizens with great ideas not just the Plutocratic rich.

    But there's something else that also disenfranchises us: The two party system is disenfranchising. This disenfranchisement is not new, but it requires in depth discussion.

    Let's take California, the state that most purple and right posters like to poke at for its financial ineptitude and long term left wing rule. For a Republican voter living in California, like @HB Surfer he essentially is disenfranchised, his one paltry vote can't change his state no matter how much he would try.

    The same used to be the same for Texas, which due to the liberal influx of the past(5!) years(mostly from California and neighboring coastal states), has become something of a purple State. Before though, if you were a Democrat voter living in Texas, good luck.

    Let's break it down further. Miami-Dade is liberal county. If you're a Republican living in Miami-dade, that city won't be conservative anytime soon. If you're a liberal living in Miami-Dade, it must be frustrating that other areas of the state are staunchly conservative.

    The nuts and bolts of it is, due to our linear two-party system, whether on the city or federal level we are utterly disenfranchised from our choice. At best, we 'share' choices(and this sharing isn't equal either, again depending on the leanings of the area.).

    And with each side that gets shared, the other side feels dejected having had their choice rejected.

    Of course, in the party politics the view of the individual is also limited and in fact you could say it's outright removed. How many millions of Americans voted along party lines because it's what their parents did, or their spouse? How much can Establishment Washington count on your support? Too much.

    And worse yet, the propaganda that it's your 'civic duty' to support them. As a result of this brutal cycle, we have no representation in our government. We have the illusion of a check mark that has done absolutely nothing for us.

    This is why I want to create the American Empire, the Empire will have the Nation-State at mind. It can pursue those progressive ideas that make sense, as well as the conservative ideas that make sense. Discarding from both what's unnecessary. We don't need to restrict abortions, we just need to promote family first policies that make having a family a financial incentive again.

    And likewise, we don't need a national gun registry. I've often called for Switzerland's gun system as a healthy compromise where everyone can get a gun, trained to use a gun and with mental screenings we can avoid much of the violence that plagues our country.

    By bringing the whole Nation-State together, we will have our voices again by becoming one voice, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a 19th century mindset at play.

    We're past the concept of nation-states in 2020. Nation-states works when you have a high degree of racial/cultural homogenization in your population. This is over as a result of WW2 population displacement and the ease of travel and migrate internationally. You'll never be able to put that jinny back in the bottle.

    This is the reason why the "nationalist" parties around the world are struggling to take power and when they do, it only bring death and misery.
     
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    We're not at all past the concept of nation-states. It's that kind of thinking that led to Donald Trump in the first place. Nation-states are made up of one thing: Civilians, first and foremost. If the nation-state isn't healthy, the civilians suffer. If the civilians are healthy, the nation-state prospers.

    America's malaise, economically, politically and socially has led to the decay of its nation-state and were we not a military power, we would have suffered the consequences of the second world and even some in the first world less fortunate to not be an ally of America(IE: Russia)
     
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    Nation-states are made of homogenous civilians. You can't have a nation-states when your civilians are of different nationalities with different values and culture. The "me, myself and I" philosophy pushed by the right/libertarian/sovcit is what is destroying the USA, not it's multicultural democratic values.
     
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    Read through H.R. 1, passed by the House last year. An election reform bill McTreason has refused to debate on the floor of the Senate.
     
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    One step forward then two steps back.
    Why don’t you man up and take responsibility for the bullshit that trump and his enablers have dumped on America in the past 4 years?
    Your so-called awakening is a dollar short and a day late.
     
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    Good post. I think the super pacs and lobby spending, the dark money youre talking about, is what results in us having such a crappy choices of candidates. Every election cycle I think to myself, "This is the best America can do?". In reality it's not. The best can't afford to compete. Beyond that, with how incredibly toxic and invasive politics have become, most good people don't want to have their lives destroyed. That's why you have such shamelessly corrupt people stick around for so long. They literally don't care if you think they are the worst people ever and they won't let that change their agenda. Most decent people don't want their personal lives smeared all over the news and their family dragged through the mud. Mostly for stuff that has NOTHING to do with politics but rather a "moral issue". I will say one things about one of the benefits of the Trump presidency. His voters knew he was not a morally upstanding guy, we didn't care about that, it was all about policy and agenda.
     
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  8. AmericanNationalist

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    I don't have anything to take responsibility for, for one thing Trump's "impact" on America's system is actually quite small and trifle. In fact, Biden is poised to do to Trump what Trump did to Obama. Since I don't subscribe to Democratic hyperbole, I focus on the actual nation-state and the situation actually surrounding it.

    As I have correctly, for the past four years and in these preceding four years. Now, you can either participate in the topic or you can continue crying about the man who's been defeated.
     
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    Lol...I imagine that all the cons now will be engaging in face-saving revisionism or doubling down on their trump love.
    Who cares? The country has a new direction, and you can either participate or pontificate.
     
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    It's the opposite, the 'multicultural democratic values' are the major dysfunctioning value in America. Because of the social justice movement and perceived grievances, the people can't come together. They can't be a working unit(let alone working individuals) for themselves or the nation state.

    It's not me, myself and I or "it takes a village", but rather "we are the village". When individual and nation become inseparable, that's when the nation thrives. It's how we thrived up until the 60's.
     
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    If you have nothing productive to add to the conversation, I humbly suggest you take it elsewhere.
     
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    And, again, this can't happen in a multi-cultural society that the world as become. There is no "WE", we're not drones.

    Beside, most people with dreams of "nation-state" are doing so because they think they'll fit right in and will be part of the elite who gets to decide what the nation should do. Sorry to burst your bubble, buut the idealist enablers, like yourselfs, are usually the first to get rid of. If you have the mental faculty to bring systemic changes, then you're a threath to the new order you helped bring about. This has been true of all "nation-state" and other authocratic system ever tried.

    Stalin called them "useful idiots"
     
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    https://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
    Progressives hate this article because it proves your point perfectly. Oh yea and it was a Harvard political scientist who made the discovery.

    Putnam realized, for instance, that more diverse communities tended to be larger, have greater income ranges, higher crime rates, and more mobility among their residents -- all factors that could depress social capital independent of any impact ethnic diversity might have.

    Higher diversity meant lower social capital. In his findings, Putnam writes that those in more diverse communities tend to "distrust their neighbors, regardless of the color of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television."
     
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    It's just disheartening that in this day and age there are millions, literally MILLIONS of Americans who see the flag as a 'symbol of oppression'. As an example. I could understand why some Allah akubhar fanatic thinks that way(the solution there is for us to leave them alone and them to leave us alone, but we know that view has generated shrieks and screams since 2016)

    But for an American, even a progressive to think that way means that the bonds of the country have been dissolved further and further by commentary "on both sides",
     
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    I agree with all the money being poured into politics. When Hillary Clinton spent over $1 BILLION it made me want to puke. Not because it was Hillary, but because with that kind of money, the favors, the actions that would be taken in the best interest of that big money would not be in the best interest of the American people, not matter which party took that kind of money.

    I think the best solution is a new constitutional amendment.

    28th Amendment

    Only U.S. Citizens of voting age may donate to political campaigns. The limit per year is $5,000 per citizen in total contributions. A citizen may not donate to any campaign outside of their geographic impact.
    Impact:


    No: foreign countries or citizens, corporations, unions, special interest groups can contribute.

    This includes all ballot measures.

    Citizens cannot donate to any politician or measure outside of their residency.


    Suddenly, the politicians will actually answer to their constituents and not the huge dark money donors. Every American should be for this regardless of party. Only the BIG MONEY and SCUMBAG POLITICIANS would be against it.
     
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    Count me in for the 28th Amendment to the US Constitution. When you consider not every citizen donates, and you consider the number of politicians running for office that dilutes the donations even further. An added bonus is less ads, less negativity and more focus on issues.
     
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    Nonsense. Stop abetting bullshit that is tearing my country apart.
    I actually care about America, and I will keep calling out seditious demagoguery wherever it rears its ugly head.
    Your latest attempt at sophistry to distract from your complicity in spreading trump's seditious demagoguery is trump is shameful.


    https://news.yahoo.com/gop-driving-itself-mad-164951778.html
     
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    Stop detracting from the *******n thread. If I wanted to make a thread about Republicans(and/or Trump), I would have made a thread about Republicans or Trump. Instead, I Literally, first bleeping paragraph gave a disclaimer that this wasn't about either. Sadly, that's not helping you.
     
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    Yes. It confronts many of the issues brought up in the OP. It’s not just McConnell though as the Republican Party is illustrating their stand against fixing the system currently. They don’t believe they can win elections without disenfranchising voters. Hence, our screwed-up system.
     
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