America's Obsession With Guns Must Stop

10 days until Xmas and nearly 30 innocent people, most of them children, are dead. Murdered by a crazy (*)(*)(*)(*)er who shouldn't have been allowed to touch a gun, let alone use one.

How many more innocent people have to die before the people at the NRA decide enough is enough? Or will Americans continue to bleat and moan about their 'right' to own a gun being more important than the mass murder of two dozen innocent people?

Wake up to yourselves. This (*)(*)(*)(*) has to stop. More than 10,000 people killed by handguns in the US this year alone. How many in Britain? How many in Australia? How many in France, Spain, etc etc?

Do something about this before its YOUR family caught in the crossfire.

 

What law do you think would have prevented this terrible incident? It was already illegal for the murderer in question to have the guns that he used. Do you want to make it doubly illegal, or...

 

Ban guns.
Pretty simple.
Don't believe me? How many mass shootings have there been in Australia since 1996?


Oh yeah. None.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa - wait a minute. I've been told numerous times by Aussies that guns are NOT banned in Australia. Are they or aren't they?

However, let's take your answer of "ban guns" and examine it. Do you believe that banning guns in the US would mean that firearms would be unattainable? Do you believe that it somehow would have deterred this murderer from illegally attaining firearms? I don't see how it could since the guns in question were in fact "banned" as far as he was concerned, it was already illegal for him to own them, yet it didn't stop him.

 

Australia has very tough laws on guns. Read up on the Port Arthur massacre.

You need to tighten your laws. No criminals should be allowed to buy a gun, no one with a mental illness, and there should be a 30 day waiting period.
Those things would help. Also charging parents who leave their guns in places where kids can get them would help them be more responsible.

 

Yep thanks to federal law every school in america is a free fire zone for lunatics with a gun.

One should also recall that it is currently illegal for minors, convicted felons and psychotics to own firearms...

The Columbine two broke no less than 22 different state, federal, and local gun ordinances some how I don't think one more would have mattered.

If we cant keep drugs out of the country what makes you think we can keep out guns?

We've been attempting various sorts of gun control off and on for 80 years now. It should be obvious to all but the most brain dead of leftists that they don't work.

The only possible deterrent to madmen and felons with guns is sane men similarly armed.

 

Makedde,,, where the problem lies is, a perfectly normal law abiding person can legally get a gun. Something happens, he snaps, reaches for his gun and goes on a killing spree.

 

Well it's been established that it wasn't his gun. The fact that he stole it from his mother was an easy method of obtainment, but getting one from another illicit source would not have been difficult either. These illicit sources would continue to be available even if guns were made illegal because of the laws of supply and demand. It is the same as it is with Drugs, if the US isn't making them to sell to US citizens, somebody else will and catapult them over the Mexican border.

Almost all legal gun owners aren't psychopaths. And those who are, can obtain a firearm illegally. So this postulates the question of how does making Gun ownership illegal inhibit the ability for the 'psychopath' to obtain one?

Now the same argument that you imply here that guns are the problem and getting rid of them would cause a solution is the same argument that Pro-lifers and Drug control advocates embrace. Get rid of the mechanism of the problem and the problem will sort itself out. History has shown that does not work. For any market that a demand exists, a supply will exist.

The question that needs to be asked in situations like this is What is the underline problem / motivation that lead to this event? a rational person doesn't shoot other people simply because they can. a rational person doesn't become a drug addict simply because they can. a rational person doesn't seek an abortion simply because they can. All these things have motivators that need to be addressed and responded to. Gun ownership is restricted to deviants already. (this includes criminals and the mentally ill) ... So by any legal means Gun ownership is not the cause of events like this nor can the revocation of it lead to the solution.

 

Lets make american an island and see how well we can prevent guns from coming across our borders, hmm? Since we can't do that, the point is pretty moot.

 

Yep and You've paid for it with an increase in rape, & home invasion crimes.
In order to prevent a horrific crime that was a statistical rarity in Australia you've place women, children and the elderly in harms way.

 

Part of being free is assuming the risk that comes with it.

 

No, that isn't the only possible deterrent because it clearly does not work-a bit like capital punishment. How is the deterrent effect of that doing these days? No more murders?

Collect them all, melt the useless things down and do something productive with them. The fewer there are so easily obtained, the harder it would be for those bent on doing bad things to get their hands on them. And no, I couldn't give a flying f*ck about your 'rights' nor your Holy Constitution. Some things are just fundamentally wrong, and mass gun-ownership is one of them.

 

Okay so first we have to get a constitutional amendment passed which is extremely difficult, then we have to make sure that every person gives up their guns so criminals don't still have them (as per your point in doing it) and then we have to make sure that a black market doesn't appear ( and don't forget because the united states isn't an island it is easier for people to sneak guns in than Australia) that will sell guns to these people and as we've seem we've not been so well on stopping black markets in the past. So it's not pretty simple.

I think it would be more likely that all guns break at the same time right across the country and no way of fixing or making anymore guns than this scenario happening.

 

The problem I think is less about the ownership of guns, and more about the glorification of them. Someone can own a gun, and use it as a tool for hunting, or as something they want to have to protect their family, but we take it so much further than that in this country. It's not just a tool, it's a SYMBOL! of FREEDOM! and AMERICA! and if you get in my way, I'm going to BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF! because that makes me a MAN!

 

Maybe not but you can (*)(*)(*)(*) well reduce the body count.

 

Oh, so your insane right to arm yourselves is a percentage game; playing the odds? Are 20 dead children a fair return for this 'freedom' you Americans keep whining about?

 

Get a Taser.

 

Ask somebody pro-choice if 20 dead children are worth keeping their liberty? Same argument against guns is employed against abortion. Make the mechanism illegal and the problem solves itself, right?

 

Note that in countries were guns area LOT more contolled, the incidents of mass murders, incidental deaths by firearms, suicides by firearms and homicides are a LOT less.

 

Yes it is.

It is our way of ensuring the government doesn't take us over so as sad as it is when children die, its not a reason to take away our freedom. Unlike Australia who would be forced to follow anything your government tells you, we could at least fight back.

It was a threat the founders considered serious enough that they specifically added it into our Constitution.

 

no forcing everyone to turn in their guns because other people can’t be trusted with them still seems wrong to me no matter how many tragedy’s occur

 

But if you banned guns in America the sky would fall, the Holy Gun would cease to be a symbol of 'freedom' and the American male would feel emasculated. Couldn't allow that to happen...

 

There will always be people who do not follow the law.

There will always be criminals.

But please note that in all the "mass murder" cases, it is never a CRIMINAL who pulls the trigger!

The mass murder is almost ALWAYS this guy's FIRST crime (yes, always MEN)

And, in all instances of mass murders since 1991, only ONE mass murderer was Black!

 

Your population in most cases is also far more homogenous, and generally older.

 

The majority of them are also on anti-depressants, especially the younger ones, I believe that's 100% of the time. Maybe people should be looking at these mind altering drugs and not at the weapons used to carry out this violence.