An Atheist view on life.

bad, yet good. in that it often works.

sometimes even on moi :/

 

Who is running and who is hiding. Your OPINION is your opinion. It has no merit to anyone other than you and those that share a like mind with you.

 

See, thats why people keep on trolling even when they are so terrible at it: they dont understand what trolling is. Trolling is trying to get an emotional response, get people riled up. Just getting a reply pointing out that their post is inane, isn't an emotional response.

 

Why is it that believers always seem convinced that non-believers are as obsessed as they are with something the non-believers don't even think about?

Now, I've been a lifelong collector of baseball cards. So naturally, I'm convinced that everyone secretly is a baseball card collector at heart, and thinks about baseball cards constantly, and that by consciously and daily rejecting baseball cards they are imperiling the fulfillment and safisfaction in life that only baseball cards can bring. I can only ask WHY non-collectors hate baseball cards so much, that they reject collecting without even making the attempt. Surely all you people must obsess over baseball cards every day, because I simply cannot imagine a life without it.

 

Gee, it seems to me that your very presence on this forum and in this discussion is evidence enough that at least you do think about such things that you claim that non-believers don't think about.

 

Yes, this is a good point. You have made it impossible to have a discussion with an atheist, since the very fact that an atheist is discussing constitutes proof that he's not an atheist. Neat gig. So I'll just go away, since unicorns are more interesting, and you can join the OP in regarding atheists as people who share your beliefs but won't admit it.

 

Now where on Earth did you acquire such a notion? I do not believe that I made any suggestive comments that might mean that you either believe as I do or that you should believe as I do. Belief is a very personal thing and I attempt to not disallow others to have their own beliefs. If we all shared the same beliefs (identical in all manner... that is the meaning of 'same'), then there would be no point in holding discussions. I think I will go back and re-read that OP. Seemingly I might have missed something at that point.


Edit: Just finished re-reading the OP. Conclusion... NOPE! I didn't miss anything in my first reading. Though that is not to be construed as an agreement with the OP.

 

Einstein is held up as some sort of be all and end all iconoclast of the pinnacle of human intellect. Well, he got a few things wrong.
Einstein Archives Online: http://alberteinstein.info/
Zum kosmologischen Problem (1931): http://alberteinstein.info/vufind1/Record/EAR000034354

Faced with evidence that the universe was growing, Einstein apparently wanted to figure out why it wasn't filling up with empty space. His proposed solution is in this newly discovered paper. As the universe expanded, he suggested, new matter showed up to fill the gaps. New stars and galaxies would just pop up, according to Einstein's model, so that even as the universe grew, it would look the same.

This theory is totally wrong, for a little while Einstein thought it was right. The numbers made sense, because he had made a mathematical mistake.



In the middle of a complicated calculation, he wrote a minus sign where he should have written a plus. As it turns out Einstein made mistakes all the time; about 20% of Einstein's papers contain various mistakes of various degrees.

I won't argue that Albert Einstein was a brilliant man. I won't argue that Einstein's theory of relativity is arguably the 20th century's greatest idea; but not everything he did was right. Therefore to put forth the argument that Einstein should be held in such great esteem that his thoughts on God, and on divinity should be thought of as the be all and end all of the argument, well that my friend...I will argue.

Maybe, just maybe...the atheists are wrong also.

It's my opinion that the agnostic position, a declaration of three simple words..." I don't know, " is the most logical and sound in terms of a definitive argument as to the existence or non-existence of God and divinity. While I am not agostic, I am a practicing a faith, I am more akin to the admission that none of us know, definitively, what true reality is, and what the underlying meaning and purpose is...or lack thereof...of this observable Universe in which you and I, reside.

Good evening.

 

No one but believers can discuss "god" without being called obsessive? MORE Pride and Arrogance ?? Or just that "control" issue?

 

I went to the optometrist and he said that my current script on the glasses was fine.. Bearing that in mind, I look back at what you quoted (my last post is what you quoted), and I did not see the use of the word "obsessive". I also don't see where I was attempting to control anyone. Making an observation about someones activity is not in any way a control tactic....(at least to me it is not a control tactic)... Pride and Arrogance??? Nahhhh. That dog don't hunt either.

 

It would be an even bigger trick if they could determine how old it was too.

Maybe non-believers are not thinking about what you think they are.

 

Well, it is thought that the world is full of possibilities.

 

The idea that I have to conform to what society says in order to be accepted by their God just pisses me the (*)(*)(*)(*) off. It's like they don't think I'm good enough of a person. They think they are better than me. Seriously. If you are a christian, screw you. Who are you to judge me? You're nobody. Mind your own business.

 

Isn't schizophrenia when you hear voices in your head? What is it when you hear god in your head? Religious schizophrenia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_schizophrenia

 

This is interesting and I think very accurate. The Christian part---seems accurate (which surprises me..) And it shows to...accurately--how both belief systems (Atheism and Christianity) revolve around God.

 

So, free will that I see Christians talk about does not exist, does it?

 

wrong. we don't think about GODS, we think about the people who believe in them, and the reasons they believe such things. it seems as though it's impossible for theists to understand the difference.

furthermore, no one who collects baseball cards is attempting to impose baseball morality via legislation, and they generally don't kill people in the name of baseball. nor do they start wars, nor acquire an obnoxious arrogance and a self image of virtuousness and specialness. they also don't knock on people's doors to tell them that if they don't start collecting baseball cards immediately, they will be tortured for eternity in a special baseball-less dungeon of fire.

 

see what I mean!

saying atheism revolves around god is like saying christianity revolves around unicorns. beyond idiotic, and I hope my example goes some way to demonstrating that.

 

So...God is an Atheist....I never knew.

 

Really crank? That word 'GODS' just appeared on your computer screen without any involvement of your mind? Now what group do you belong to that don't get involved in fairy tales?

 

Except of course atheism is not a belief system, and no gods are involved in any way. But the very term "atheism" is a comparative term - it doesn't describe what somone thinks, it forces what they do NOT think into the narrow context of someone who can't set his beliefs aside long enough to grasp the concept.

Again, I could label you a "non card collector", and THEN claim that since this is the label I gave you, obviously your beliefs must revolve around card collecting.

 

you just proved my point. theists ARE incapable of separating the idea of belief in gods, from actual belief in gods. it's fascinating, even though it's essentially bog ordinary 'centrism'. fascinating because centrisms are usually associated with tangibles .... like baseball cards.

 

Imagine if the overwhelming majority of people collected baseball cards. Those with no such interest would be characterized by their lack of interest in baseball cards, and they would be obliged to address baseball cards even in denying they were interested. They would be understood by others, and summarized and described, in terms of their relationship to baseball cards whether it made sense or not. To the point where, just to get along in society (much less to run for public office), they would need to at least fake an interest in baseball cards so as not to be considered stupid and inferior. They might need to attend baseball card conventions every week just to keep in contact with their network of friends and other acquaintences. They would have to field "how's your collection coming" questions regularly, and join in baseball card examinations before every meal when they eat with friends.

In short, their whole life would be structured and viewed in terms of their relationship to baseball cards. They wouldn't be a butcher or baker or candlestick maker, they would be a non baseball card collector. That's who they ARE, see?

 

Wrong again. In your previous post you spoke about 'thinking' about 'GODS'. Now you switch to 'belief in gods'.
Quit changing the goal posts.

 

I loves it!

would be an interesting exercise to subject a group of theists to something like that for a say, a week. assuming you could somehow manufacture a baseball-card-centric 'world' in which to conduct the experiment. I don't doubt for a second that 99.9% of them would consider it an appalling situation, if not laughably insane. they would, given most are quite sane and still in possession of a sense of humour, be torn between laughing uproariously and condemning those imposing such high grade nuttery.

and wouldn't THAT tell 'em a thing or two about atheism