An interesting development in Transland

As significant numbers of openly trans people is a relatively new thing, we are only just now starting to learn more about the 'condition'.

One of the most curious, to my mind, being the growing number of trans people who subsequently (post transition) identify as gay. That is to say, male-to-female who declare themselves 'lesbian', and female-to-male who declare themselves 'gay'. What makes this especially interesting is that these same individuals were gay prior to transitioning. That is, gay males who transitioned to female, and lesbian women who transitioned to male. AFTER transitioning, they 'changed' sexuality. Got that? So the MtF guy was strictly attracted to males prior to transition, but after transition was attracted to females - and vice versa.

How can that be? We're told sexuality doesn't change, yet here it is. And it's not a tiny percentage of trans-people, either. It's becoming more and more common. I have a theory, myself .. and would be interested to hear others' opinions.

My theory: they were always 'straight', but had psychological or social issues which manifested as a complete lack of confidence/comfort with the opposite sex. Somehow, transitioning gave them the confidence and permission to access their essential sexuality.

In an aside, and extrapolating from this, could we also then make reasonable assumptions about what percentage of homosexual people are only there as a result of unrecognised feelings of inadequacy with the opposite sex?

 

Who cares?

I mean really. Let folks, be folks.

 

cares? no, this is a 'clinical' observation.

I'm interested in how this trans thing plays out over time. we're only just learning.

 

Meh, whatever floats your boat.

People are people. Wants are wants.

Enjoy.

 

yes, obviously. but this is of considerable interest to those with a foot in the psychological arts.

 

And for those who should consider seeing a shrink.

 

ah .. I take it you think that those working in the fields associated with the treatment of trans people are insane?

 

I think it's a nothingburger.

 

This does seem to suggest that sexual preference is malleable, or at least rooted in something far less obvious than we've previously assumed.

 

Could be, Lil Mike, could be. It's a very interesting turn of events, either way. Wonder what it will mean for the LG community.

 

So why post?

 

Probably nothing. I assume that they'll just 1984-it and claim that we've always known preference was a choice or something like that. Of course that depends on who wins the coming LGBTEIEIO wars.

 

I like to.

 

The public position will adapt in the most politically expedient fashion, no doubt. But what it really means to the philosophy of a fixed sexuality is another matter. Having said that, I'm still inclined to think it's less about malleability, than it is about default homosexuality. I suspect these individuals subconsciously resorted to it (gayness) due to crippling insecurities with the opposite sex, and/or .. and I hate to say this ... 'fashion'. Nerdy and slightly girly blokes, who once would have simply ended up marrying as virgins at age 20, given permission to join the cool kids and get laid via the gay path.

 

Well, hormones do have a strong effect over emotions. I can accept that hormone therapy could easily change ones attraction parameters.
However, this does indicate the the growing trend of trans is chemically induced, as opposed to the 'coming out' that the official narrative would have us believe.

 

First off, I don't think the claim is that it never changes, just that it is rare. There are some that have claimed a transition, where an attraction that was not there before gradually developed. That still does argue choice, simply a change in the person.

That aside, one's sexual orientation is about what gender one is sexually attracted to. The labels, particularly lesbian, indicate one's own gender as well as the attraction. For the sake of the example, let's use the word "mesbian" as the opposite of lesbian, homosexual male. I do this since many women use the gay label and not the lesbian label, and I want to avoid confusion.

If a man is attracted to women he is labeled as straight. He feels that he himself is also a woman, and thus becomes MtF. He (maintaining the pronoun for clarity) now is a lesbian because he now identifies his own gender as female, but his attraction to women has never changed. The opposite is true. A FtM goes from being straight to being a mesbian, because her attraction to males never changed.

Quite honestly, I would love to see labels for sexuality that were strictly about what attracts one. Androsexual might be good for those attracted to female, regardless of whether they themselves were male or female or even gender fluid.

As for those who were attracted to one gender prior to transitioning and then the other after, you basically have two categories of those. First there are the ones who feel that since they were attracted to women as a male then they should be attracted to males as a women, and try to force themselves down that rout, in much the same way that they tried to force themselves down the route of being male themselves before. The other group are those who were not being true to themselves prior to transitioning. Really the underlying cause is the same. It is just a matter of whether they are being untrue to their sexuality before transitioning, or after.

 

Are you claiming that trans in and of it self is chemically induced, or that is simply one of a multitude of possible origins and is currently the most responsible due to the increased use of chemicals in our society?

 

You mean like a "straight" father and husband who, after 30 years of marriage "turns gay" and moves out of the house and into an apartment with his boyfriend? That's not changing, that's just him dropping the mask.

Something else to consider is the difference between a sex act and a sex preference.

 

Out of curiosity, what are you basing this assessment and measurement on? It strikes me as a very difficult area to get accurate statistics on in general, especially on the most sensitive aspects.

Even if there is any kind of trend here, I wouldn’t presume there would be a singular cause or shared path all these individuals will have taken.

I’ve no doubt that anyone with any kind of gender confusion is going to face even more difficulty than the rest of us normally do dealing with developing sexuality as we grow up. I also suspect that some of the biological aspects that will influence gender can also influence sexuality so it could well be that a disproportionate number of transgender will also have non-binary sexual orientations but they could feel even greater social pressure to follow social norms.

In my personal experience, when someone who has gone through the difficulties of gender confusion (regardless of the outcome) if they can find anyone who they can have a long and meaningful relationship with I can only be happy for them.

 

Hormones are definitely something to consider.

 

Where is the evidence for this?

 

Waiting for the day we have a republican transgender win the WH and the left will start claiming she just wants to be Queen.

 

Sex hormones impact libido, not orientation. This is just one of the early 'lay' explanations for the phenomenon. It's an obvious one to choose, given few in the LGBT community wants to think that a) orientation is malleable, or b) a good proportion of homosexuals are there by default.

 

Re your first para, I think 'choice' is the wrong word. It's not conscious, in the sense that you choose what shirt you'll wear. Fluid, is probably more accurate. Doesn't necessitate consciousness, but establishes changeability.

I'm not sure how much of this phenomenon is a result of trans people feeling they 'should' have a particular orientation. These are not folk generally bound by societal mores. I do suspect it's far more about pre-transition 'insincerity'. Again, unconscious.

 

That's exactly what I suspect is happening. Mainstream research (hogtied by PC) hasn't looked into what percentage of homosexuals are there by default (feelings of inadequacy with opposite sex, and/or fad).