An interesting development in Transland

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by crank, Nov 8, 2017.

  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    Bless your heart, once again that certain someone who refuses to supply any independent evidence for any assertions made, sneers at someone else who does. Nothing remotely clinical about a mind that tells the rest of us what is or is not 'newish' and that we are to google her claims if we want something more objective that some intuition and guesswork.
     
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  2. DoctorWho

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    Wow, the OP is a sexpert on LGBT matters,
    Who knew ?
     
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    In one study conducted on 17 male-to-female gender reassignment patients, "About half were sexually attracted to males; about one-third were bisexual; and nearly one-fifth were sexually attracted to females." Other studies have suggested that as many as 70 percent of male-to-female transexuals are still sexually attracted to other women, and thus go on to lead new lives as lesbians.

    In another study, out of 25 female-to-male transexuals, 15 (60%) identified as gay (attracted to men), 8 (32%) as bisexual, and 2 (8%) as queer. All were comfortable with their gender identity and sexual orientation. The female-to-male group was more bisexual than the nontransgender gay/bisexual control group.
     
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  5. Maquiscat

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    Those numbers seem really low for a population sample. Any links to where they might have listed their calculations for determining that number? Otherwise, contradictions aside, I'd have to dismiss the study due to non-representative sample size.
     
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    The study couldn't determine a common cause, so at leas some were probably due to having conformed to social mores when they were their birth gender. I would be interested in knowing if any changed back after initially changing after their transition.
     
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    I can never get my head around it when someone is referred to as 'his husband' - although I've yet to hear 'her wife'. Still, time will tell!
     
  8. Maquiscat

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    You just haven't been hanging out in the right circles. Wait till you hear "his husband and wives" or in that vein.
     
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    I'm perfectly clear, dear. I need a sandwich. I'm going to go make one. No.
     
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    That might be enough to short-circuit my brain. :eyepopping:
     
  11. Maquiscat

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    You might want to avoid threads I am in then.
     
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    I always do! :nana:
     
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    There is always hope, no matter how slim.
     
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    Soooo many people, Polz. Most especially, straight Progressives. Such hard allies.
     
  15. crank

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    arts in the old sense. sciences were once known as arts. look it up.

    but you're right, I know little of psychology. nor of tarot cards and numerology.
     
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    a) ok

    b) why would they 'know'? these things are often unconscious.
     
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    That clunky old trope (latency disguised by 'homophobia) is a thing of the past, and is rightly scoffed at in 2017.

    The only people who still take it seriously are those who feel the need to demonise opposition.
     
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    How, if they were same sex attracted (ie, gay) prior to transition, were they conforming to social mores?
     
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    Prove it. Produce the links to the studies. You will waste your time posting anything in reply to me on this topic, that does not have credible links.
     
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    Bye, then. This thread is a discussion, and invites theories ... personal or otherwise.
     
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    :roflol::roflol: If wit were dynamite you wouldn't have enough to blow your hat off. :mrgreen:
     
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    I will start with that I must have missed where you were either shifting to or including homosexuals. That said, even among the homosexual community there are social mores, as well as the overall societal perception that orientation does not change. As such a gay man (attracted to men) when figuring out that his gender (as opposed to sex) is female, might, subconsciously think that they are still gay and thus are attracted to women. Maybe they are actually bi, but are suppressing the idea that they can be attracted to both. Bi's do receive a lot of grief from gays as a whole. If so they will probably be successful in "changing their orientation". If not, then eventually they will revert back to men and realize that they are straight, relative to their gender.

    Social mores that people conform to do not necessarily have for the world at large, or the country or even state they are in. We all follow a variety of social mores.
     
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    You missed where I was.

    I'm talking about people who were gay or lesbian prior to transitioning, then became vice versa after transitioning. Got it?

    so the female lesbian becomes the gay male (after transition), and the gay male becomes the female lesbian. Irregardless of any possible impost from societal mores, these people are only ostensibly 'changing' orientation. as stated, I suspect that they were always the orientation which they ended up expressing (post transition), but for whatever reason, had been unable to express it until after transitioning. many trans people do say that transition brings a new confidence .. and that's probably more where the answer lies than in something like 'social pressure' or hormones.
     
  24. Maquiscat

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    See this is why I would love to see orientation labels be simply about what gender one is attracted to, and not about how it relates to one's own gender. It doesn't help that many cis female homosexuals refer to themselves as gay and not lesbian. Right now there is no one word that referees only to homosexual males.

    Ok so you are talking about a person born physically male, who claims attraction to men, but then claims the female gender, transitions, and then claims attraction to women? That he was somehow straight to begin with, but was suppressing it within himself until he became a she?
     
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    yes, this exactly. and vice versa (as in, originally a lesbian, then became a male attracted to men .. ie, gay).

    something about the act of transitioning gives them either the confidence and/or motivation to express their 'authentic' sexuality.
     

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