An interesting dilemma.

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its her uterus. Why shouldn't she abort one or both if she chooses?
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Surrrre, just like you weren't the first one to make it personal with your silly "family " stories....
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Sure why not????
     
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    No dilemma here. She carries the pregancy to term, delivers both children to the parents, and sues for the difference.
     
  5. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    To quote another poster who is also right : ""YOU put it out here. If you didn't want it commented on, you shouldn't have posted it.""
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She is under contract. These things make use of legal documents. Remember the case here, the woman agrees to bear one child. The intended parents do not want two children.

     
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    hoosier88 Well-Known Member

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    So, the prospective parents wanted a child badly enough to recruit a surrogate, hire a lawyer, draft an agreement covering the services, contract out the messy physical details (I assume) - but didn't cover multiple fetuses? That seems odd - as I understand it, multiple fetuses are common when the surrogate or the eggs (or both) are dosed with fertility-enhancing drugs &/or treatments. If that's the case, then either the legal instrument is flawed, or counsel sold the parties a one-sided document.

    In either case, the surrogate can sue - to disbar the lawyer, show damages, recover same, & possibly also sue the prospective parents (if they knew that the contract was strongly slanted to the would-be parents). The courts won't stand for gaming the system this way - if that's what happened.

    Going forward, some entity should step forward & draft an all-inclusive model contract for these services - the demand will continue, I'm sure, until artificial wombs or trans-species implantations come to maturity & become normal. The courts themselves don't want to pursue these cases - they would likely endorse a model contract that only needs minor variations to tailor it to specific circumstances.
     
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    homophobia


    NOUN
    mass noun
    • Dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.
    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia
     
  9. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does not fit me.


    nor this.


    What my detractors ignore is our/most Americans definition of them.

    They love homosexuals, want them as company, want them as relatives, are obsessive about loving them, intense love of them ...
     
  10. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you watch the video? I tried from memory to bring what they did to this table. I then found it on youtube. I had tried at first but somebody later posted to youtube.

    If that happened is a good way to say it. We have no reasonable way to conclude the prospective parents gamed anything. We do not know if the surrogate advertised her services. We don't know why the parents selected her. We do not know her promises.

    Anyway, she violated the wishes of the parents. What would you do?
     
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    The video is slick, staged, & (what I saw of it) uninformative. The only way to sort out this mess is in court, where a lot of these cutting-edge medical/ethical issues wind up. There's some kind of contract in place, evidently. That's going to be the deciding factor - what, if anything, does it say about multiple fetuses? If nothing, the would-be parents could be in trouble, for asking for something of the surrogate not covered in the contract. If one fetus/child meant so much to them, they should have stipulated that in the contract.

    Where - which state - everybody lives in is important, state laws vary, some are friendly to surrogacy, some not, some outlaw it. Given how messy this one is, what I'd do is hire the best lawyer experienced in this practice & pore through the contract, depose everybody in sight, read through all the documents - memos, letters, offer of employment, & on & on. Push comes to shove, if the contract is too one-sided against the surrogate, you try to overturn the contract. (It could also be too one-sided against the would-be parents, by the way. The law is a flexible tool.)

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogacy for background. Without knowing which states everybody lives in & which state's laws will be applied to the contract, we can't get very far with this topic.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very well done. The state of the video is New Jersey. The filming took place there.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I like that show, but is there a case where a woman was "forced" to abort?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know what is in the TV show. I have not sought cases.
     
  15. Doofenshmirtz

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    Fair enough. As long as I never see a case where someone is forced.
     
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    Your posts belie that claim.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am catching on to why you misunderstand commentators.
     
  18. FoxHastings

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    I already caught on to why you deny everything you posted as if no one can go back and read your posts ...;)

    Has your "interesting dilemma" been solved for you?
     

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