Ancient Stone Works/Megaliths

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    We can look at something like this, and some see a light bulb.
    We know they made batteries, ( Bagdad battery) thousands of years ago.
    We know they needed light to carve and paint the interior deep inside some Pyramids.
    Does this prove anything, no it doesn't .
    But it may be a part to the overall puzzle.
     
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    And we have done those things, that is how we came to understand we do not know. Now we speculate and explore possibility that has some level of data to support it.
     
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    Can you imagine the heat those things would generate or the energy required to light them? Everyone in that carving would be cooked within ten minutes, even the giants holding the cords.
     
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    I'm sure they would have that accounted for, and here again we don't know the actual size or voltage used, Bagdad batteries produced 1 1/2 volts I think, if in fact, that's what they are.
    But we still have the unanswered question, how did they light the places.


    We have volumes of books, not a couple pages like in most religions,
    but volumes, in Hindu lore describing flying machines, propulsion systems, weapons,
    and vivid descriptions of things they have no way of knowing about.

    Naturally this goes into religious text as "the Gods".
     
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    Obviously you have watched way to much "Ancient Aliens" and taken it WAY too seriously. Hindu texts have many, many fantastical stories with everything from eight armed super people to flying cities of doom but the texts are just stories rather than history books. You speak of rational investigation but dream of the irrational.
     
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    So now you are bringing in aliens.
    No, this is a subject that fascinated me since the late 60's,
    There was no internet, or ancient aliens.
    Just library books.
    Now the internet brings a lot more info closer to home.

    As I said, I don't draw conclusions yet, just lots of questions.
     
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    I referred to "Ancient Aliens" because your commentary and submission are almost verbatim recitation of the History channel show.
     
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    They agree, and in some cases elaborate on written text that was available.

    I watched some of their shows, and found some interesting, some not so much.
    They write is with an answer already decided.
    I prefer to evaluate evidence before making a conclusion.
    Many of these need to be studied by qualified personel.
     
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    And they ARE studied by qualified personnel, how do you think you even heard about them. Unfortunately those qualified must be systematic and very careful when examining which takes much time and often leaves many questions unanswered. Speculation is fine if not required, but speculation must be based on existing evidence to an extent vs. fantasy imaginings.
     
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    I agree, they are studied by qualified people, lots of them, but their conclusions in many cases violate accepted historical and religious stands.
    So people tend to shove it out of their minds.
    the conclusion is the Same, we just don't know.
     
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    Now I think the Catholic church has a lot of information buried in their archives, they refuse to let be made public.

    Just my opinion, I don't know either.
     
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    As a science enthusiast, I spent most of my life in agreement with your comment, "Obviously there was no "Flood". However, recent archaeological finds plus ever improving understanding of the end of the last ice age, demonstrating global sea level rises of several hundred vertical feet, which would have drowned out most human communities and forced massive migrations, have convinced me, the famous "Flood" was actually the melting away of the vast continental glaciers at the end of the last ice age. Most humans instinctively settle along coastlines and near water sources, both for personal survival & for means of travel. The Ice Age flooding affected most human communities world wide, and would have been remembered and passed down in verbal histories by a myriad of cultures as the Great Flood. This also forces historians and archaeologists to push their oldest dates for civilization back further & further over time, but this new recognition for ancient civilizations existing during the Ice Age, makes human history ever more interesting & exciting.
     
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    I agree with your post.
    a thought shared by many.
     
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    floods happen virtually everywhere, to ancient peoples whose entire world may have only been a 100-200 sq km region a flood to them would've be epic, their entire world as fasr as they were concerned!...even a sudden catostrophic rising of the sea levels from glacial melt would've not been known world wide, most of the world's land mass would've been untouched and the inhabitants of those areas oblivious to what was happening elsewhere.
     
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    often the curious layman thinks the anything on the history channel must be scientifically valid, history channel has no qualms in presenting absolute b.s.

    the layman makes the error believing if it's on tv it must be true those must be experts! in actuality archeologists are rolling their eyes and laughing at their gullibility...the real the truth is fantastic enough without bringing aliens into it but people always seem to crave fantasy and silly leaps of logic...
     
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    There was a time I would have agreed with your post. It's very logical. But within the past two years I've become acquainted with evidence that strongly supports the idea that there were advanced, global societies--or at least advanced societies that interacted globally--prior to 11,500 years ago. As bizarre as that sounds, there are megalithic structures built of solid rock blocks weighing between 2 and 100,000 tons each, that were moved from quarries miles away, sometimes at elevations of over 13,000 feet, and then cut or sculptured to such precision that variations less than 1/100th inch occur over a 2 foot length. Given that many of these rocks are granite or magmas that are very hard indeed, it would have taken advanced materials & automated tools to carve them. These new historians are claiming the advanced civilizations died at the end of the ice age, and humanity went into a long, protracted Dark Age, lasting from about 9,600 BCE till about 3,000 BCE, when new civilizations--those we're familiar with--began developing. This version of history is new, and many don't subscribe. Yet, it explains evidence that traditional archaeology hasn't yet been capable of dealing with.
     
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    Good post.

    I agree with the idea of something we cannot comprehend through standard accepted means.
    We need to look out of the box.
     
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    ...yeah and Biggfoot lives in Scotland in the summer and has the Loch Ness monster pull him while he water ski's. When winter comes in Scotland Bigfoot's family goes on vacation to their Atlantis condo in the Bermuda triangle where they're joined by their Yeti cousins from Tibet...I saw it written in the National Enquirer so it must be true!

    many don't subscribe to it because it's BS...there are no legitimate anthropologist who would give you the time of day with such silliness...but there are always the pseudo experts on the history channel or tabloid schlock peddlers willing to pull the wool over your eyes for a quick buck...
     
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    I think you'll have a hard time selling that one.
     
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    no more so than ExploreR fantasy story
     
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    Well, then how DO YOU explain the incredibly large stone blocks being moved & carved with such precision? Traditional archaeologists claim these were made during the bronze age, but bronze tools won't cut these hard stones, and manual carvings are incapable of such accurate, straight, smooth cuts. Dissing new ideas is easy, but Schlock and those like him are using the evidence and trying to explain how it came to be. The evidence is there. Traditionalists are ignoring it & attacking those willing to examine it. Science is supposed to seek truth by studying the evidence. By refusing to examine that evidence & attacking those who do, traditional scientists are undercutting the very science they claim to represent. I can accept your attack against Schlock and his cohorts IF you can explain the evidence they've studied and how it came to be, in a way that is demonstrably capable of being true. But if all you can do is attack them without offering an alternative viable explanation, then you're simply joining those who don't like their conclusions but offer no counter argument. So, explain yourself please.
     
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    That was made with some type of machinery.

    It was not made by banging rocks together,
     
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    banging rocks is exactly how it was done...try read actually archeological/anthropological texts stop reading of tabloid junk written by uneducated idiots and wannabe amateur archeologists ...

    soft rock- copper and bronze...hard rock, well there's always a harder rock that'll do the job...polishing, same back then as it's done today, abrasive sands and water...no mystery here...simple people, simple technology no need to over think it...

    I don't have a clue as to how a cellphone is constructed with it's microscopic circuitry but I don't attribute that personal mystery to aliens or lost technology...it's just knowledge that I don't have...if I really wanted to know I could consult the proper sources not people who make crap up...
     
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    VERY good post supported by excellent evidence for your point. Thank you. :banana:
     
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    want to know how don't listen to some academic writer whose never done a days physical work in his life...ask a stonemason, their techniques haven't changed in thousands of years...bronze age only refers to the general technical level, they had alloys, iron and lead too just not very much...science has the truth but you're not reading what they say your getting your info from people who have any idea what they're talking about.
     

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