"And also much cattle"

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The book of Jonah shows that G-d cares about Gentiles.....
    even badly behaving Gentiles.... and also cares about cattle.

    Jonah 4:10 "Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
    And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?"


    Are massive farms like this the one shown in the footage ethical?

    I get the impression that these farms are simply too big....... big business has gone off track..... and a shift sure seems to be coming.


    Animal welfare group documents calf abuse at iconic Fair Oaks Farms, sparking investigation
     
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    Sorry but the " also" doesn't imply that god cares about cattle.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think that it does ......
    which is why I personally think that our modern massive
    dairy agribusiness that rapidly separates calves from their mother is
    highly unethical.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/with-pets.html
     
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    So since you think god cares about cattle and you think that the modern dairy agribusiness is highly cruel to cattle why do you think god allows it to happen?
     
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    Because people misuse their free will, like you do.
     
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    On one level G-d is producing eight billion reality films starring all of us......
    G-d is watching to see what you and I and the rest of us will do about this....
     
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    We were given dominion over the animals but are not allowed to mistreat them.

    That is wrong.

    Basic humanity should tell you its wrong even without religion being a factor.
     
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    Oh darn. You mean questioning the sky fairy is misusing my free will. Guess you don't actually understand what free will means.
     
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    Where in the bible does it say we cannot mistreat animals?
     
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    Nonsense. I challenge god to strike me dead. Will post tomorrow to prove his impotence. .
     
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    Go read it and find out.
     
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    Truly well said Spooky!

    I just opened an e-mail and I am tending to think that the author of this petition is probably onto something important........
    I personally lean rather "conservative" on a lot of issues but I really do tend to think that Green Party Leader Ms. Elizabeth May may well be closer to a big truth than we conservative Christians tend to be when it comes to the issue of banning the captivity of whales and dolphins?????

     
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    No..... I questioned Messiah Yeshua - Jesus perhaps with more
    anger and vehemence than you have probably done ...........

    There is a saying that the difference between HIGH EXPECTATIONS
    with a
    LOW PERCEPTION of our immediate reality......
    can be ANGER!

    I had off the scale expectations for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and what he accomplished so yes.... by 1990 I was becoming disappointed and angry with him and with the Christian Bible.

    Could the Christian gospel be much worse news?


     
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    If you can actually be angry at an imaginary thing then perhaps rethinking is in order.
     
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    Probably have cover to cover many more times than you have. But you can only read a bad work of fiction so many times before you lose interest.

    And most of the bible references to animals that I remember are more about how to manage your animals to ensure your own prosperity and increase in your cattle than anything actually having to do with creulity to animals.
     
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    That is a good point.... .there are not as many statements like the following as I would like to see in scripture....

    Proverbs 12:10

    A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
     
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    But it might........

    it does open the door to that possibility.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/num/22/5/s_139005

    Num 22:32

    And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:
     
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    https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-R9z...h+[The+Book+Of+The+Secrets+Of+Enoch]_djvu.txt

     

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