ANDREW YANG FOR PRESIDENT 2020

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Do you like the idea of a Basic Minimum Income?

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  2. Yes

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  3. I am not sure yet but I will research this idea.

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  1. redeemer216

    redeemer216 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting paradox there.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So poor people own controlling percentages of the shares in banks in America???????????????

    Do middle income and poor Americans use Derivatives like poker chips to play the stock, commodities and bonds market like being in Vegas????????????
     
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    Adding more question marks doesnt suddenly make you right.

    The money went to the banks for their cash reserves. Nothing more. There weren't any payouts to anyone.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WALL STREET’S $18.4 BILLION BONUS
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    OK? You made the claim that it went to the CEOs, it didnt. It went to the analysts that did the work.

    Still not sure what this has to do with giving everyone money for nothing at tax payer expense.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because what I am proposing is NOT at taxpayer expense.

    It is a replification of the brilliant Greenback Monetary Policy of President Abraham Lincoln that JFK attempted to give to American taxpayers.


    The History of Banking Control in the United States
    Written by Alain Pilote on Saturday, 31 August 1985. Posted in In This Age of Plenty (book)

     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know now that I owe you an apology Jimmy79. It turns out that you are in many ways closer to the truth on all that happened than I was. So all those question marks....... with my sarcasm..... came back to haunt me!

    In my defense I do remember the C.E.O.'s attempted to give themselves bonus packages just like usual..... but the backlash was so serious that they had to change their strategy..... and so a high percentage of the bonuses ended up going to workers in the banks who usually don't get quite so many bonuses.

    I suspect that that is one of the reasons why the package did succeed..... and a potential disaster was avoided..... or at the least postponed.

    But.... I do believe that the information in that audio - video indicates that something different needs to be done that truly will boost economic growth........ .and an unconditional income supplement to all Canadians and to all Americans ...... deserves serious consideration.

    I am convinced that this is the best angle to sell it to fiscal conservatives though:
     
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    Why do you keep talking about my money?
     
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    We Canadians can afford it if we will begin to use the Bank of Canada in a manner similar to how we did from 1938 to 1974.

    If we get this going I suspect that the USA will not be too long following us into some variation of this.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...servative-party.466822/page-2#post-1070680192







     
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    But when we see the timing on how all this works out we are going to be in AWE!!!!!!!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...theory-of-m-w-p.548225/page-4#post-1070682871



     
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    You and I both do a lot of volunteerism online attempting to the best of our ability to
    educate others to what we have found out over the years.

    I cannot deny that a segment of the population will spend a Basic Minimum Income supplement badly but......
    I personally benefit from all the hard work of Canadians and Americans over the past three centuries as our lands
    were built up to the place where I can jump in my Honda Civic and drive all across Canada and the USA on reasonably
    good roads.

    I greatly benefit from the massive amount of hard work done by scientists and inventors who made it possible for you and I
    to correspond through PoliticalForum.

    You and I both benefit from the reasonably good level of peace and safety that the RCMP and CSIS here in Canada and
    the law enforcement agencies in the USA give to you.

    The Canadian and USA economy are doing so good that a Basic Minimum Income that is UNCONDITIONAL and
    financed at essentially zero cost to taxpayers, (as can easily be done here in Canada) ..... is a possibility for the future that
    we need to discuss... because our modern economy takes us beyond the situation that the Apostle Paul faced when he wrote:

    2Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."
     
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    Money is completely worthless, and a UBI would have zero positive impact on economic growth, because that's not how economics work.

    Money is a temporary medium of exchange for the command of labor, and the productivity of labor is the sole measure of economic well being. The only reason most people are struggling is because they've become significantly less productive at home, and highly dependent upon the labor of others to meet their basic needs, which significantly increases the price of goods.

    A UBI is only necessary if you assume that as we progress with automation, individuals will become increasingly less productive and idle, and the means of production heavily consolidated into a handful of major corporations. Everything I've seen in my local community, and read on a more national scale, implies that the exact opposite will happen. Cottage industry is roaring back, the red tide of government bureaucracy that favors major companies is rapidly receding, and the individual is becoming ever more self reliant
     
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    Excellent points........ but there is another complicating factor......
    we have been creating more debt plus compound interest owing on that debt.....
    than actual money in the money supply.




    The Public-Debt Problem
    Written by Alain Pilote on Monday, 30 June 1986. Posted in In This Age of Plenty (book)
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    If a serious error had not been made by then Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau back in 1974 it
    might not have been possible to do the same thing in the USA:

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    That's my whole point. Money is a necessity, but in the hands of government detrimental to society
     
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    Rather than a basic income program,
    I would rather see a "basic support program"
    such as Food Stamps for All.
    With the old rules of American products only with few exceptions such as bananas.

    Moi
    :oldman:


    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well said......



    Monetary Reform and How a National Monetary System Should Work
    Written by Richard C. Cook on Monday, 31 March 2008. Posted in Monetary Reform

    Published on Global Research, May 11, 2007


     
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    But here in Canada giving five hundred dollars per month to all thirty seven point six million Canadians and financing it through the Bank of Canada would begin to break us out of the serious mess that Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau set in motion for us back in 1974.

    The diagrams at this link may surprise you!

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    UBI can succeed if it is financed in the same way that President Lincoln financed the Civil War!

    Scroll up to post #31 here to see what I mean.

    Why Universal Basic Income Is a Bad Idea

     
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    You are obviously a bright guy Hoosier8..... How to you respond to a BEAR market potentially worse than 1929?????

    You know that you must respond to a Bear market differently than to the problems with a Bull market?



    The nineteen minute mark of this video may be interesting to you:




    Rick Joyner on It's Supernatural with Sid Roth - End Times Prophecy



     
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    Andy does not seem to be gaining any traction :(

    I believe he counted on the "techno youth" to broadcast his message
    And that has not happened.

    There doesn't seem to be a candidate that has mobilized the younger folks
    as Bernie did four years ago.



    Moi :oldman:






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    Interesting..... I shall have to put some thought into how it may be possible to assist him from up here in Canada??!!

    As you know though..... there is always a catch when dealing with us diabolical and dastardly Canadians.....

    You may not even believe what we did with milk... .and then eggs..... and then........


    Global Warming and Environment: Rejecting Alarmism and Focusing on Concrete Improvements
     
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    This is partly true..............
    but not entirely....... as an article that I read a while ago makes rather clear...... I will try to find it.....


    Nope... this is not the article that I was looking for.......

    https://www.thebalance.com/what-was-obama-s-stimulus-package-3305625

    Obama's Stimulus Package and How Well It Worked
    Did Obama's Stimulus Plan Work?

     
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