Andrew Yang on Climate Change

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  1. redeemer216

    redeemer216 Well-Known Member

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    And people say there are no viable candidates on the left. The bar is certainly set low currently that's for sure.

     
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    The man-made-global-warming-we’re-all-gonna-die-doomsday wackos are taking advantage of public ignorance when they blane hurricanes on climate change
     
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    Problem is its not wacko. Those are facts, not the we are all going to die part though. Literally only the right says oversimplified exaggerated crap like that.
     
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    Hurricanes are not new since the industrial revolution

    And they are not getting worse over time

    The storm that hit florida in the 1920s was bigger
     
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    No one said they were new. The rate of occurrence and yes the size on average has steadily been increasing. One anecdote of a large storm in the 1920's is beyond irrelevant.
     
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    Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard are pretty much the only decent candidates that haven't swallowed the Far Left pill with its insanity.

    The Democrats have nothing at this point. Only smears, personal attacks, deplatforming and other unethical, immoral and at times illegal practices.
     
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    The rate of occurrence is not higher

    Only the volume of screaming in the hysterical lib news media
     
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    It is actually higher though it's unclear whether this is from the warming climate or just a recent event.
    Here: https://theyearsproject.com/ask-joe/climate-change-making-hurricanes-more-destructive/
    But there is evidence that the changing climate is making them more destructive.

    Even if true, hurricanes and their destructiveness is just one symptom which was only briefly brought up in the video.So I'm unclear as to what you were originally responding too in the OP.
     
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    Yes, I hate Kamala with a passion.
     
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    There used to be a time, barely a decade ago in fact, where people didn't care much about political affiliation and could sensibly disagree without turning to everything from smear campaigns to insults, doxing, destroying someone's livelihood, +++.

    It's gotten to the point where the Left will need to have a taste of their own medicine, as they are the ones who are pushing for these ludicrous ideas and values. Once they've had enough we can probably finally return to a more common sense approach to things as opposed to seeing people behaving like grown up children with the emotional fortitude of a 5 year old.
     
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    Talking about oversimplified exaggerated crap, NY was predicted to already be underwater by now. The alarmist claptrap never ends but the predictions keep batting zero but with the attention span of the Spongebob Squarepants followers it isn't hard for the alarmists to keep you in fear.

    Look at the stupidity CNN puts up, 'Climate Crisis' with crisis in red to scare you even more. They state that hurricane Dorian is caused by the 'climate crisis' as fact in complete opposition to the NOAA and the IPCC.

    Moving the people off an island that is a sediment island isn't being done because of sea level rise, it's because the sediments are not being refreshed due to the Corps of Engineers controlling the Mississippi. This is a known fact that has been 'conveniently' ignored to engender fear for an agenda of control.

    The unicorn fart and stardust bureaucratic fixes are the usual top down dictates that fail with many unintended consequences.
     
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    MSM is being way too alarmist, but what prediction are you talking about. Most evidence based predictions have said within the next century at the earliest, or are you talking about that one movie?
     
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    Don't forget, as long as they don't fact check him, Joe Biden is going to be calling Trump a racist! That'll get 'er done.
     
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    I don't know if its a problem necessarily, but the saner wing of the dem lineup has in many cases said they won't don't wish to attack candidates. It may be the case they need to do just that. And you don't even really need to attack, only simply state the facts. Hopefully we get some more of that at the next debates. Tulsi destroying Kamala was certainly a fun watch the first time around.
     
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    Oh yes. Kamala getting completely wrecked was fun to watch. And now the loons are going after Tulsi because she's not a whackjob like a decent amount of Dems running.

    I for one support Gabbard and Yang as they are pretty much the only common sense candidates.
     
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    Listen to the alarmism. It's happening right now according to them for just about every weather event in opposition to the NOAA and IPCC and many are falling for it. Try to listen to any talking head talking about Dorian without them mentioning 'climate change'.

    Then there are so many opposing views by climate scientists that if you don't listen to the media with skepticism, you are only falling for an agenda. In fact skepticism is the fuel for science. IPCC AR3 stated this, “The climate system is a coupled nonlinear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible”. Think about that for a bit. All of the alarmism is based on a computer model and the worst case/least likely one at that. Garbage in/garbage out. A small error input ends up with a huge error output.

    As I said before about alarmists predictions, NY was already supposed to be under water but observed science shows that the long term sea level rise from the 1860's has not changed. Between 1860 and 1950 CO2 was not a driver of sea level rise since it couldn't be according to the IPCC. Do you think CO2 just took over and negated the natural change all of a sudden?
     
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    No

    The rate of occurrence is actually lower than the same baseline period in both the 19th and 20th centuries.
     
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    Yes after the dire predictions a few years go after Katrina and Ivan and a very active season it was all this is what we will see in the future more and more storms hitting the coast. Then when that didn't happen well they MAY be more intense then. And they cause more economic damage not because of "climate change" but because of people change who build more and more on the exposed coast.
     
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    Hurricane Dorian is not an unusual storm

    Nor is it even near the worst storm of the padt 100 years

    Finally, if climate change is doing what the left claims is it because I eat hamburgers and drive a car that uses fossil fuel ?

    Or is it a natural change in the climate which has been going on for a billion years?

    The utter hysteria coming from the left is what is increasing in force the fastest not natural forces of Nature
     
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    Since the USCRN was set up 14 years ago in the US as a reliable reference network of weather stations not subject to the problems of legacy networks, there has been no detectable warming.

    AGW is a fact because you can't pump billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere without some effect, but that effect will be small, certainly not the catastrophe Leftists are screaming about.
     
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    Not so much. 1st column is the year. 2nd column is Named Storms. 3rd column is Major Hurricanes

    [​IMG]
    Atlantic Hurricane Numbers By Year: 1851-2017

    Year Named Storms Hurricanes Major
    Hurricanes
    1851
    6 3 1
    1852 5 5 1
    1853 8 4 2
    1854 5 3 1
    1855 5 4 1
    1856 6 4 2
    1857 4 3 0
    1858 6 6 0
    1859 8 7 1
    1860 7 6 1
    1861 8 6 0
    1862 6 3 0
    1863 9 5 0
    1864 5 3 0
    1865 7 3 0
    1866 7 6 1
    1867 9 7 1
    1868 4 3 0
    1869 10 7 1
    1870 11 10 2
    1871 8 6 2
    1872 5 4 0
    1873 5 3 2
    1874 7 4 0
    1875 6 5 1
    1876 5 4 2
    1877 8 3 1
    1878 12 10 2
    1879 8 6 2
    1880 11 9 2
    1881 7 4 0
    1882 6 4 2
    1883 4 3 2
    1884 4 4 1
    1885 8 6 0
    1886 12 10 4
    1887 19 11 2
    1888 9 6 2
    1889 9 6 0
    1890 4 2 1
    1891 10 7 1
    1892 9 5 0
    1893 12 10 5
    1894 7 5 4
    1895 6 2 0
    1896 7 6 2
    1897 6 3 0
    1898 11 5 1
    1899 10 5 2
    1900 7 3 2
    1901 13 6 0
    1902 5 3 0
    1903 10 7 1
    1904 6 4 0
    1905 5 1 1
    1906 11 6 3
    1907 5 0 0
    1908 10 6 1
    1909 12 6 4
    1910 5 3 1
    1911 6 3 0
    1912 7 4 1
    1913 6 4 0
    1914 1 0 0
    1915 6 5 3
    1916 15 10 5
    1917 4 2 2
    1918 6 4 1
    1919 5 2 1
    1920 5 4 0
    1921 7 5 2
    1922 5 3 1
    1923 9 4 1
    1924 11 5 2
    1925 4 1 0
    1926 11 8 6
    1927 8 4 1
    1928 6 4 1
    1929 5 3 1
    1930 3 2 2
    1931 13 3 1
    1932 15 6 4
    1933 20 11 6
    1934 13 7 1
    1935 8 5 3
    1936 17 7 1
    1937 11 4 1
    1938 9 4 2
    1939 6 3 1
    1940 9 6 0
    1941 6 4 3
    1942 11 4 1
    1943 10 5 2
    1944 14 8 3
    1945 11 5 2
    1946 6 3 1
    1947 9 5 2
    1948 9 6 4
    1949 13 7 3
    1950 13 11 8
    1951 10 8 5
    1952 7 6 3
    1953 14 6 4
    1954 11 8 2
    1955 12 9 6
    1956 8 4 2
    1957 8 3 2
    1958 10 7 5
    1959 11 7 2
    1960 7 4 2
    1961 11 8 7
    1962
    5 3 1
    1963 9 7 2
    1964 12 6 6
    1965 6 4 1
    1966 11 7 3
    1967 8 6 1
    1968 8 4 0
    1969 18 12 5
    1970 10 5 2
    1971 13 6 1
    1972 7 3 0
    1973 8 4 1
    1974 11 4 2
    1975 9 6 3
    1976 10 6 2
    1977 6 5 1
    1978 12 5 2
    1979 9 5 2
    1980 11 9 2
    1981 12 7 3
    1982 6 2 1
    1983 4 3 1
    1984 13 5 1
    1985 11 7 3
    1986 6 4 0
    1987 7 3 1
    1988 12 5 3
    1989 11 7 2
    1990 14 8 1
    1991 8 4 2
    1992 7 4 1
    1993 8 4 1
    1994 7 3 0
    1995 19 11 5
    1996 13 9 6
    1997 8 3 1
    1998 14 10 3
    1999 12 8 5
    2000 15 8 3
    2001 15 9 4
    2002 12 4 2
    2003 16 7 3
    2004 15 9 6
    2005 28 15 7
    2006
    10 5 2
    2007 15 6 2
    2008 16 8 5
    2009 9 3 2
    2010 19 12 5
    2011 19 7 4
    2012 19 10 2
    2013 14 2 0
    2014 8 6 2
    2015 11 4 2
    2016 15 7 4
    2017 17 10 6
    Average
    1981-2010
    12 6.5 2

    http://stormfax.com/huryear.htm

    The number of major hurricanes is fairly constant at 2.
    I live in south Florida, where it never gets above 100 and still doesn't.
     
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    AOC is the right now? :wierdface:
     
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    Science vs you. Gee, who could possibly be right? Your credentials are what?

    More energy means stronger hurricanes. This is elementary.
     
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    She was referencing the report from the IPCC. Do you even know what that is? No.
     
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    If it were just well funded scientific quacks in ivory towers vs me it would be no contest

    The doomsday hustlers would win hands down

    But there is a lot of informed criticism of the manmade global warming hoax
     

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