Angela Merkel Lectured Trump On Global Warming, Now Germany Abandoning Its Climate Goal.....

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  1. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    where is your proof? As a scientist of over 30 years I expect solid science not conjecture. Cite your best evidence below followed by the factual science.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    good grief...you do know the sun has active cycles right? Any idea what that causes? If this is confusing, there is no need to discuss orbital paths.
     
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    The burden of proof is on the hypothesis. The planet has a long history of rapid and severe climate change long before man came along so climate is a natural phenomenon until proven otherwise.
     
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    Its a bit unfair for only me to have something to prove. Its suspicious to me that you guys are so sure 97% of the scientists are totally wrong then surely you would have found the real cause of the warming by now. Yet you have nothing. Usually alternative scientific theories have their own theory of what is going on but you only have a negative position.

    So if you want me to prove what the real cause of the warming is, then how in general do you think I can show what the cause of a warming period is? What is the process we can go through to determine the cause whether it is the sun, CO2, volcanoes, etc? If you can't even tell me anything that would convince you then you aren't even convincable and are beyond any rational persuasion and don't even want to even to try to answer the question of the cause.
     
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    No, we know that humans have a massive impact on the environment and can wipe out forests and even our own planet if we really wanted to. We have been releasing massive amount of chemicals and were even destroying our own ozone layer for a while before we banned products that did this and have increased CO2 and methane layers by 50% and these two are well-known greenhouse gasses.

    You can't make the assumption that nature is the cause when you have no evidence and we know that humans have an impact too. Until there is evidence of the cause then you have to say that you don't know what the cause is. But you already told me that you think the cause is the sun despite the fact that the sun is actually cooling. Since you are making a claim too you also now have a burden of proof.
     
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    Yes, but if you actually take the average of those cycles they have actually been cooling slightly. There is nothing in these cycles that explain 2 F of warming on our planet.
     
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    I said without the sun the Earth would be a ball of ice so it's safe to say the sun is 99.9% the cause of climate. I then asked you several times what percentage of climate you attribute to man and you dodged the question every time.
     
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    its your claim. why on earth do you think you shouldnt prove it. You dont prove negatives.
     
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    Are you telling me you have figured out how the sun works and can predict its behavior down to 2 degrees. Thats amazing.
     
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    Actually the increased CO2 has increased the food supply. Obama by executive order declared CO2 to be a pollutant, but it is in fact what you breathe out with every breath. It is the element that sustains plant life on earth.
     
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    I really like this analysis done by NASA. It's over multiple fields of study and a they summarize it quite well in this writeup I'm linking. Global warming / Climate change exists. To say it doesn't is stupid. What I don't believe is at this time it's the cause of any natural disasters that our leftist media likes to trot out anytime our Earth does something bad to us.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
     
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    When I first saw the title heading I saw "Angela Merkel lectures President Trump" and I thought the ending was "on immigration." It wasn't until I stopped laughing that I realized it was global warming. I mean climate change.
     
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    How's this for a reason: the ice has been melting for 11,000 years and is not done yet?
     

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