Another day, another mass school shooting

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    This time a High School in Michigan. Not far from where I did my Junior High. At least 9 victims (3 dead, 6 injured). I know the excuse: that's "statistically" insignificant. But I bet it's VERY significant to the families of those who got shot.

    So far there have been 2409 victims of mass shootings this year. And we still refuse to admit that we have a gun epidemic.

    I'm not even going to say that we need to do something about it. Because it's obvious to anybody who is not a victim of the gun lobbyist propaganda machine.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The parents are being charged with involuntary manslaughter. I think authorities should look into the possibility of also charging whoever sold them the gun. And, of course, the gun manufacturer.
     
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    Do you plan on charging the gun retailer with legally selling a gun and the gun manufacturer with legally manufacturing a gun? How does that work?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Same way the parents are charged even though they legally owned the gun.

    And, of course, a civil lawsuit would should not be off the table.
     
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    Golem! How on earth did you swim past all the other horrific shootings in Michigan to finally make a thread about this one?
     
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    The parents could have been negligent. However, I am not sure how you sue a manufacturer or seller if they legally sold and manufactured the gun.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Shhhhhhhh. Too early to talk about it, thoughts and prayers, people kill people, good guy with a gun, cold dead hands, violent video games, arm the teachers. Next.
     
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    I don’t think Michigan has a negligent storage law, so charging involuntary manslaughter seems like a pretty weak case.
     
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    I heard a news report saying the kid wrote “help me” in class hours before the shooting. His parents refused to bring him home and didn’t ask whether he had the handgun they had bought for him days before.
     
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    It’s certainly a tragedy and the parents were probably not very alert to their son’s troubles. But I don’t think it’s certain the gun was bought FOR the boy. I think it’s likely they bought it for no specific reason and weren’t responsible in storing it.
     
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    Sure sure....the moment that I can sue you for me stubbing my toe on the couch in my living room because of the Butterfly Effect. LINK: Butterfly effect - Wikipedia

    :rolleyes:
     
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    As could have been the gun seller.... and very likely the gun manufacturer.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You equate 4 dead teenagers, and hundreds of others in terror with stubbing your toe on the couch.... hmmm... Go figure...

    I'll keep that in mind for the next time a right-winger says that their beef with abortion has to do with caring for human life.
     
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    Where did I do that? Oh right. I didn't. Stop being dishonest Golem.
     
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    Orders of magnitude less likely. And how is the gun manufacturer very likely?
     
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    They should at least investigate prior to proposing "common sense gun legislation".
     
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    The same way Stanley products is liable for death by hammer blow.
     
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    Read the news accounts. Their behavior is appalling.
     
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    Appalling, I agree. But, involuntary manslaughter?
     
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    That would be a good idea. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of guns laws already on the books. And of course, murder and manslaughter are also already illegal.
     
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    Why not? It's exactly the kind of charge more people should face for not adequately securing a lethal weapon.

    Involuntary manslaughter is defined as an unintentional killing that results either from recklessness or criminal negligence or from the commission of a low-level criminal act such as a misdemeanor.
     
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    Maybe, but is there a basis for such a charge in Michigan right now? If not, maybe the state legislature needs to get busy.
     
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    Involuntary manslaughter is defined as an unintentional killing that results either from recklessness or criminal negligence or from the commission of a low-level criminal act such as a misdemeanor.

    Sounds like the DA has a good case.
     
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    Gun supporters argue that responsible gun owners should not be punished. I agree. But I think there needs to be consequences for irresponsible gun owners. Possessing a gun does not make you responsible. These parents had multiple times that they could have stopped this, but they refused to listen to the school, they refused to act, when asked to take him home for the day they did not. After they left he began to shoot.
    My guess is that there will also be multiple civil suits headed their way.
     
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    Maybe. Not ever having had much to do with Michigan, I’m no expert on their laws. I may have been in Michigan a couple of times 50 years ago but that’s about it
     

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