Another day, another mass school shooting

The debate isn't about fmw either. Do you think one day psychologists might explain to us how Trump managed to convince his followers that everything anybody says about anything refers to them?

I think that Trump's self-centered personality might have something to do with it.

 

Totally illogical crap. No gun has ever acted on its own to kill anyone. Ditto ball bats, golf clubs, knives and bare hands all of which have been used to kill people. A gun is a tool. Blaming tools or the manufacturers for what some sorry humans do with them is idiotic.

 

Sure sure...if you support criminals you would think this way. Because guess what...criminals don't care about your laws.

 

In your dreams.

I don't know who the "we" you are referring to is (the link didn't work), but the generally accepted definition used by the FBI and other LEO agencies is 4 or more people killed (sometimes they include just shot) in a one-time incident, at the same location, not including home invasions, familicide, or gang shootings. So... school shootings (like this one), mall shootings, the Las Vegas shooting, though so far (fortunately) that one is unique in how it happened, that sort of thing. I don't know if you're making up your own definition, or using someone else's made up definition, but there have not been 2,409 victims of mass shootings in 2021. Hell, CNN was reporting that this was like the 1,200th incident of a mass shooting since August 1st, which, like your number, is total bullshit. If either of you were actually right, no news program anywhere would be talking about any other subject, not even politics. I saw on the TV or read on the 'net somewhere that this was the worst such incident of its kind since 2018. I find that believable because as devastating and news attracting as these events are, they are, fortunately, still extremely rare.

Regardless, my local news agencies have already reduced their coverage of the event, most likely because the kid didn't use an AR-15. Had that been the case it would still be the top story on every broadcast, even if nothing had changed and there was no new information available on the case. Instead, it's fading away unless a major development occurs.

As far as I'm concerned, MI should make an exception for this kid and reinstate the death penalty. As for his parents, I'm on the fence as I feel like I need more information. But I do think the school itself is every bit as liable as they are, because all they had to do was search his bag in that little meeting they had that very morning, which I'm pretty sure they had every legal right to do, and we wouldn't even be having this discussion because it never would have happened or made the news.

 

Only a Republican would argue that laws should be enacted based on what criminals care about.

 

"We" refers to the some source as the data
https://massshootingtracker.site/

Now... Retract!!!

Not good enough. You EXPLICITLY accused me of making up my own definition. So you have to EXPLICITLY retract that accusation.

 

You are incorrect. Your side is focused on fighting good people that obey the law. Going after violent people is more complicated and comes with risk.

The term "common sense gun laws" is common, but few make sense.We agree on keeping dangerous items out of reach from children and the mentally disabled. I had access to firearms from age 9.

 

So would you disarm armored car security guards?

 

Only a lefty would argue that laws should be directed at restricting or even nullifying law abiding citizens Rights by dancing over the graves of children.

See, I can play that idiotic game also.

 

You are aware that before politicians started defunding the police as requested by leftist mobs, we were at, or near, 30 year lows when it came to gun violence, right? Despite the fact that every day, week, month, and year in those 30, the gun population expanded as existing gun owners bought "another" gun for their collection, and new ones bought their first? And during that time, we went from practically no states allowing concealed carry to almost all of them doing so, and while correlation is not necessarily causation, that also started at about the same time (late 80s, early 90s) that the overall reduction in gun crime, and violent crime in general, started coming down?

So, while I have no idea what makes people like so frightened by the idea of the general public being "allowed" to own guns, there is in no way a claim to be made that "more guns=more crime", because our experience prior to covid/"defund the police" was the exact opposite.

 

Are you on crack again? The thread topic is about "another mass shooting". This has everything to do with media coverage unless you want to totally ignore a known contributing factor. However, if the whole cause is guns as you claim, then why would the South side of Chicago be exceptionally bad? Is that section of the city prone to increased gun ownership than other areas of the city? What makes those people buy guns in that neighborhood? And, of course, I'm assuming that someone is making these people buy guns since culture (other than "gun culture") has nothing to do with it per your reasoning.

 

Yes! Not media coverage. If you want to claim that mass shootings are caused by media coverage, and not by people with guns, open your own thread and make your case. And MAYBE I'll participate in it. But most likely only if I can think of something funny to say and make fun of such ridiculous notion.

"Whole cause". Why are right-wingers unable to grasp reality unless they visualize it as if it were binary?

Because there are guns also in the South side of Chicago. Republicans have made sure that there is no part of the country that the gun epidemic has not reached.

Your question is absurd. And reality is NEVER binary. A binary is just the way wingnut media makes you believe that things are, but the real world is NOT like Fox shows it to you.

 

Right. So bullets would not be part of the conversation either since only guns kill people en mass. Also off the table would be any talk of gun sales, gun laws, and gun manufacturers since the topic is mass shootings. If you can't wrap your head around the fact that many things contribute to mass shootings, then you really are not worth discussing the topic with.

 

Why are right-wingers incapable of understanding reality unless it's presented in a BINARY way?

You will NOT see anybody who knows what they are talking about use words like "only" in a debate about causes like this one. But you can count on Republicans INSERTING their binary mind frame into EVERY discussion as soon as they run out of arguments. They simply cannot comprehend the world if it's not in binary terms. And if there is anything binary about reality it's that causation is NEVER binary.

 

It's laughable that you are talking about me not understanding unless it's presented in a binary way but you can't seem to grasp the fact that it has been PROVEN that media coverage of mass shootings causes more mass shootings. So let me put this in terms you can maybe understand: more media coverage of mass shootings causes more mass shootings. Less media coverage of mass shootings results in less mass shootings.

Now if you don't want to talk about mass shootings, perhaps you should start a thread on the evils of guns and the evil people that shoot them.