Another mass shooting deserves a better answer.

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  1. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    About 19 different firearms made the 1994 AWBlist, IN ADDITION to the features you mentioned. The weapons used in EL Paso and Dayton were SPECIFICALLY on that list.
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What changed? Before the 1934(?) National Gun Act anyone could possess an automatic rifle without paying the stamp tax. The government of the time was concerned that gangsters were using these weapons in expanding or protecting their market share, So the government in its wisdom made it difficult for the (actually put it out of reach for most) law abiding citizens without charging or convicting the citizen of a crime. In effect having the innocent be responsible for the sin of the guilty. I suggest targeting the criminal (root cause) and not creating laws that make firearm possession a criminal condition for an otherwise law abiding citizen.

    You quote 200 mass shootings in 251 days. I think the news media owes all of us some responsible reporting on each of those events, who knew! Pulling from your knowledge of the 200 events (so far this year) what is the demographic breakdown on these 200 shooters?
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    1. You're just being stubborn to the point of insipidness by trying to split a hair regarding what I put forth. Bottom line: the OP stands valid, and you have no rational/logical reason to be against it. Trotting out this tired ass "cars kill more people" mantra doesn't cut it. I've addressed this already, and here's someone who does a good job on it as well: https://www.scarymommy.com/stop-comparing-gun-deaths-car-deaths/

    2. the Constitutional Amendments (15, 19, 26) answers your question. Your comparison fails again.

    And thank you for admitting misreading what I wrote on that one point.
     
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    Since making your own and selling without a license is both a state and federal felony he wouldn't have minded I think.
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Explain to the reading audience how you specifically target criminals from obtaining a weapon through sales without passing laws and regulations that affect the entire population? Bitching about a tax that kept full auto rifles out of the general population (and out of the vast majority of criminal hands) doesn't cut it.

    And WTF are you babbling about regarding the number of mass shootings? The info is there in your local and affiliate reporting in the MSM, if one does not shade their eyes. Case in point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

    And to be more specific regarding the OP: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/were-ar-15s-used-mass-shooting-aurora/
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    What you think is irrelevant as to what has happened. Like I said, the proposal won't stop all crime of this sort, but it will curtail it to a large degree.... (i.e., no traceable internet ads or e-mail exchanges). The OP stands valid, no matter what detour you try to take to avoid acknowledging that
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    In 1986, there were only 9 states that allowed their citizens to carry a concealed weapon.

    Today, there are 42 states that allow their citizens to carry a concealed weapon.

    Over those years, crime rates have continued to fall.

    Those are the facts.

    The remaining 8 states need to get with the program and allow their citizens to carry a concealed weapon.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    The 2007 Virginia tech shooter killed 33 people with a HANDGUN, not a RIFLE.

    There is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon".

    The 1994 ban had no impact on reducing crime...
    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-stokes-assault-weapon-ban-20180301-story.html
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Any law restricting the right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional

    And 2A is not a state right.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You still didn't answer my question.

    Do you consider such ID requirements on voting to be an infringement on or suppression of voting rights? Im asking what your opinion is, not what the law is.
     
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  11. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    I already pointed out the absurdity of your question, given the LAW, and how my proposal is no infringement either. If you consider the amendments infringements, then how do you consider yourself a citizen, as PROOF of your citizenship would (by your mindset) be an infringement? If you don't see the sheer stupidity of your stance here, get someone to explain it to you.
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Stop being silly. Essentially you want to own any type of weapon you want that can be available/affordable. So when your neighbor brandishes a flamethrower, you go for the RPG, and so on, and so on. Naturally, the criminal element will have easy access as well, and we're back to the Wild West....were the town folk and sheriff eventually wised up and enforced a law for visitors to check all guns before entering. The OP stands valid, your revisionist clap trap non-withstanding.

    and learn to READ....States do have their individual gun laws in a addition to Federal law. A matter of fact, a matter of history.
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Your first two sentences are moot points that DO NOT correlate to lowering of crime rates...I've posted several sources that demonstrate that claim by gunners is not wholly accurate, if it is at all. All you've got is generalized repetition claiming to be fact. Your obvious ploy fails again. The OP stands valid.
     
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    Stop being silly. The 2A says "shall not be infringed." Any law infringing one's "right to keep and bear arms" is unconstitutional. Learn how to read for God Sake!

    ...which are all unconstitutional. The 2A says so. Learn how to read for God Sake!!!!!
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Virginia tech killed 13 more than my proposed number...what would the number have been if he had an AK47 or AR15?

    Stop parroting that stupid line that there is no assault weapon, as terminology changes throughout history: https://www.britannica.com/technology/assault-rifle

    As for the 1994 AWB: https://www.factcheck.org/2013/02/did-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban-work/

    And like it or not, the weapon of choice for numerous mass shootings in the last 20 years were on that list. Deal with it.
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    As the reader can see in the chronology of the posts, MolonLabe cannot handle logical dissemination of the subject at hand. Blindly parroting his one line and thus ignoring/denying any responses speaks to insipid stubbornness and willful ignorance. So be it. With nothing else to offer, I leave him to his folly.
     
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    Far more could be done to reduce the number of mass shootings in the united states, if the news media were not obsessed with covering every minute detail of the personal lives of the guilty party, including posting their photograph and repeating their name constantly.

    The news media in the united states is promoting and encouraging mass shootings in the name of ratings.

    Why should the previous owner of the firearm be tried as a criminal, rather than the current possessor who actually committed the crime with it? Explain the motivation behind such a notion, without going off on a tangent about firearm traffickers.

    If one cannot freely purchase a common firearm that was designed and marketed in the last fifty years, and built on currently existing firearms technology, then the scope of the second amendment has indeed been greatly reduced and diminished. The second amendment does not apply if a private citizen is limited to outdated, obsolete firearms that are no longer the commonly chosen type of firearm.
     
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    What ultimate, meaningful difference would have been made if the firearms utilized were not specifically on the list? Explain such.
     
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    Because I know what's right and it ain't what you say? I can live with that and you'll probably muddle through too.
     
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    Why are you ignorantly comparing an "Assault Rifle" and "Assault Weapon"?

    They are not the same.

    An "Assault Rifle" is a full automatic weapon

    An AR-15 is NOT a full automatic weapon. It is a semi-automatic weapon.

    The term "Assault Weapon" was created in the 80's by gun control groups to label any gun they do not like.
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/20668/why-progressives-use-made-term-assault-weapon-frank-camp

    Educate yourself.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is it your opinion then that the ACLU is 'absurd' and 'stupid' in taking the stance that:

    " Voter ID Laws Deprive Many Americans of the Right to Vote"
    and
    "Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory"?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    aaaaand heres the link I forgot... kinda important, context and all XD

    https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
     
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    You do not punish or restrict the rights of innocent people, that is a grievous injustice. Punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty.
    You don't know the shooters' demographics or you would simply copy and paste them. You have a broad narrative but a little lean on substance.
     
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    Sounds like Hell on Earth to me.
     
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    Well, one problem is that not everyone has the same level of self control you seem to believe you possess. How can anyone feel safe in a society where every individual--even those lacking personal self control--are armed to the teeth? That sounds very close to what we see existing in real time in sections of the Middle East today. As an American, I'd certainly feel uncomfortable living there, & I suspect most Americans would share my discomfort.
     

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