Another Problem with Allowing COVID Spread

The more we fail to fight COVID, the more days of mutation COVID has to work with.

Just multiply the number of infected humans by the number of days they are infected - not hospital days, just days.

That is COVID's lab where it creates and tests its evolutionary advances.

With the huge infection rates we have chosen to allow, it's no surprise that COVID is learning how to be more transmissible AND how to defeat our vaccines.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55534727

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OK, I'll say it in a different way, as I certainly did NOT intend to there to be ANY HINT of violent response taken by people.

Our apporach can only be decribed as passivity - the passivity that includes refusals to wear masks, social distance, reduce travel, and otherwise follow policy developed by cities and states in line with medical science - and of course the total failure of federal executive and congressional leadership.

That passivity creates a feedback loop - with us allowing COVID to increase its powers of assault as we stand by and watch the numbers increase - numbers that help COVID to grow stronger.

 

"Chosen to allow" reflects delusional thinking.

The virus is everywhere. History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man.

Slowly herd immunity is developing, but the herd is still in stampede so many members are too frightened to realize it.

 

COVID-19: why did a second wave occur even in regions hit hard by the first wave?
Posted on January 10, 2021 by niclewis | 70 comments
By Nic Lewis

Introduction

Many people, myself included, thought that in the many regions where COVID-19 infections were consistently reducing during the summer, indicating that the applicable herd immunity threshold had apparently been crossed, it was unlikely that a major second wave would occur. This thinking has been proved wrong. In this article I give an explanation of why I think major second waves have happened. Continue reading →

 

it's a coronavirus and will mutate be it more severe, or less severe. It's doing what every other coronavirus does and we as a species build immunities to them.

Do you think it's the same strain of the "common cold" that you've probably had numerous times?

You really need to stop letting he media make you scared of your own shadow.

 

People all over America are ignoring the sciencebased medicine approach that has been well documented and publicized.

THAT causes infection counts to rise.

And, your comment on herd immunity is not suported by science based medicine.

The percent of our populatin that has contracted COVID is nowhere near hight enough to reach herd immunity. There isn't good evidence on how long such immunity mighht lase, meaning that those exposed could be losing any immunity they had - right now..

And, with the huge number of people infected, the COVID virus has greater opportunity to find ways to spread faster, to defeat existing immunity, to defeat our vaccines, and to be more lethal.

 

Wow - back to the "it's just a flu" canards again?

 

umm, no

it's a coronavirus as i stated. If you want, you can give it a label such as xxx-flu like they did with Spanish flu

What it doesn't change is the fact that it will mutate, and that doesn't always mean stronger. it's just doing what viruses do much like all of the rest

 

You haven't disputed anything I've said about COVID19 and mutations.

I'm not sure why you bring up strains of the virus that are weaker.

Surely you would agree that the mutations found coming from UK (and now in the US) that appear to be significantly more transmissible and the strain in Africa that appears to render our various current vaccines significantly less effective.

Any time we have huge numbers of people infected by some virus, the opportunity for more virulant mutations to arise is increased.

 

This is partially true.
More a virus circulates and more there are risks that variants [or even mutations] appear increases.
Btw, there is a pivotal difference between variants and mutations.

This said, more a virus circulates and more possibilities to develop immunity increases.

It's like a race: how many time does it take for our body to generate the useful countermeasures?
If this time is too long, the virus will win. But it's a reasoning which has to be related to the general population.
For a large part of the population Covid-19 is a ridiculous cold or a mind flu. They will produce the antibodies anyway.

So, don't be one way. The Spanish Flu disappeared when it had reached all the vulnerable subjects: no more persons to infect ... and the virus disappeared. It killed millions and millions of persons, but its total global diffusion generated also a wide immune population.

Now we cannot leave SARS-Cov-2 go writing down a budget of 140,000,000 of deaths around the world ... This is obvious!

But a contained diffusion, in the long term, could even become a weapon against the virus.
[I do hope that the vaccination will solve the problem before we will have to think to such an extreme measure!].

 

you are simply regurgitating what all coronaviruses do. It is nothing new.

 

Yes - I think you could say ALL viruses, though not all infect humans, it's how they work.

This is an angle that I think needs to be reinforced, as so many have been taught by Republicans that there is no rationality behind modern medical science, especially on this topic.

 

The more people are infected the more likely it becomes humans will have some “beneficial” trait selected for as well. It cuts both ways. Almost 10% of human DNA is of viral origin and it’s theorized it may be a much higher percentage. To be clear, retrovirus genetic material is most common in humans, but many things (like ability to gestate) we take for granted as humans would not exist without viral interactions.

As animals, our propensity to desire survival leads to a loathing of viruses, especially ones that threaten that survival of the individual today. But if we believe we are truly self aware, we have to admit even deadly viruses like SARS-CoV-2 have value. And if we were truly consistent with our stated evolutionary model world view, we would welcome human genetic selection by SARS-CoV-2.

Something politically incorrect (or politically correct if we’re consistent) to think about....LOL.

 

Are we really anthropomorphizing a virus, now? I supposed it's the inevitable result of scientism coupled with a lack of critical thinking.

 

Wow. That was hilarious!!

Unfortunately, that's not how biology works.

 

If you have something to say, go ahead and say it.

 

I don't see anything in my OP or my cite that could possibly be interpreted as anthropomorphizing.

Is "scientism" a derogatory term for science? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term as used.

 

"That is COVID's lab where it creates and tests its evolutionary advances."

[/quote]Is "scientism" a derogatory term for science? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term as used.[/QUOTE]

It is the belief that science is the only means by which political decisions ought to be made.

 

Umm....enlighten us. LOL

How does biology work?

 

The government response to the spread of the virus they engineered is not science based, it is superstition based. They propagandize about asymptomatic carriers, social distancing and the wearing of masks, all superstition based indoctrination and manipulation. Of course using a test not designed for diagnostic purposes for diagnostic purposes is the cornerstone of the superstition based indoctrination.

That's why INDOCTORNATION as a title by Mikki Willis is so effective.

 

Then cite some science on that.

 

Yes, we are basically undermining the effectiveness of the vaccine before it is even administered. The responsible response would be one more month of lockdown. That would reduce cases and probability of mutations, while allowing vaccination rates to ramp up, a double win. Of course, people are having trouble to not go the the bar for one more month. Such important activities....

 

Even after vaccination the recommendation is to wear masks, social distance, reduce travel, handwashing, reduce group activity, etc.

I wonder how many people are going to get vaccinated and then think they are golden.

 

PAH - Leeze readmore.
Covid is cousin to the cold virus
Cold virus mutates so quickly we have no vaccine for the common cold.
Covid will mutate and likely be "immune" from vaccination.
Lockdown forever!?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/time-to-end-the-lockdowns.582992/

Covid ain't Small Pox.


Moi

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