Antarctica’s riskiest glacier is under assault from below and losing its grip, threatening to raise

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  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Antarctica is going to DOOM us all!
    again

    https://finance.yahoo.com/m/93d4f882-814e-371d-a82b-f59afcad17f5/antarctica’s-riskiest-glacier.html



    AND Not One Addresses the dilution of the "salt" water
    driving the Circumanarctica Current that powers our
    Oceanic (Thermal ) Currents.


    Yet the liquid water of Antarctica is between
    land & ice. THE LAND IS GETTING WARMER.
    ala Geothermal.



    SO?
    What are YOU going to do about it? eh



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    Up to 10 feet of sea level rise
    Looking back at the ice-covered continent from our camp this year, it is a sobering view. A huge glacier, flowing toward the coast, and stretching from horizon to horizon, rises up to the middle of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. There is a palpable feeling that the ice is bearing down on the coast.

    Ice is still ice—it doesn’t move that fast no matter what is driving it; but this giant area called West Antarctica could soon begin a multicentury decline that would add up to 10 feet to sea level. In the process, the rate of sea level rise would increase severalfold, posing large challenges for people with a stake in coastal cities. Which is pretty much all of us.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...a-levels-by-10-feet-11654717813?siteid=yhoof2
     
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    An opinion piece, that has nothing to do with global warming.

    The average temperature of the continent is still at around -40. So any melting would be caused by geothermal activity. Because the continent still gets from 7-9" of new snow per year.
     
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    Using averages like that is highly misleading.

    There are bases on Antarctica that register multiple months of above freezing temperature per year. For example, Esperanza base registers 5 months of average temp being above freezing.

    Also, the interior gets about 2"/year with coastal areas that are warmer getting up to a foot.

    So, if you want to know about gains or losses of snow/ice, one has to measure that.
     
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    If the circumanarctic current shuts down we are all well and truly bolloxed. There is no place on Earth where humans could live all year round if the oceans didn't redistribute the heat.
     
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    Yet the decision appears to be
    Geothermal

    Si?




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    From a scientist who works in the antarctic.

    And it most certainly is related to global warming. Why are you lying?
     
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    Does not matter, is still an opinion piece.

    o·pin·ion
    /əˈpinyən/
    noun
    1. a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
     
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    Except that it is based on fact, and knowledge.

    You keep trying to blow this off, and you are doing a terrible job at it.

    Couple decades ago, when science as a whole threw their support behind climate change,climate denial became the province of kooks.
     
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    Quick.. ban tectonic plate movement and planetary core oscillation....
     
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    Explain just how geothermal energy is driving global warming. Are you suddenly admitting the CO2 isn't the primary driver in the AntArctic?
     
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    Not necessarily but certainly worthy of consideration.

    His opinion carries far more weight than anyone here, like you for example.
     
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    You really should read the articles before posting.

    The scientist who wrote this article states what NOAA and others have been saying about Antarctic glaciers - not surprising, given his involvement in studying Antarctic glaciers

    And, the geothermal aspect here is not being projected as "driving global warming". Where the heck did you get THAT idea? I'd like to know, so that can be addressed.
     
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    Lots of thins. First, geothermal activity impacting glacial formations isn't a function of global warming. It is a specific phenomenon. The reality is that at this juncture, no one understands, or for that matter, can project the impact of a more volcanic or tectonic continent.

    Sometimes we do have to recognize that those who's livelihoods are dependent on future public funding have a direct conflict of interest and usually create some significant credibility issues. And no, as far as I have seen, geothermal interactions aren't what either NOAA or NASA have been citing as to the predicted degradation of the antarctic glaciers. You know this. I know this. The disparity is the need for the faithful to package the narrative. I just point this out.

    The real question is should this tectonic energy and translated geothermal heat impact arctic deserts, then what? Clearly, as suggested, the level of CO2 isn't driving this phenomenon, nor is the traditional packaging appropriate because of it. Be honest, should the tectonic energy cause fresh water melt, and it might, then what? does the church of global warming change their tune? These are hard questions it seems for those devout members.
     
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    This is the diagram from the article. I see nowhere in the article that geothermal effects are referenced.

    The issues referenced have to do with a warming Earth causing glaciers to be shrinking and undercut by warmer water.
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    The article (and other NOAA articles) do not reference geothermal activity. These glaciers are doing what they are doing BECAUSE of global warming.

    If you want to disagree with these scientists, you should cite something.
    So, now you toss out a conspiracy theory, proposing that the world's scientists are corrupt.

    Sorry dude. You can not support that.
     
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    This is the science.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/08/210818083957.htm

    The effects on the glaciers is natural tectonic energy outflow. Do you have the ability to refute this? No? I thought not. A better question for you, however, is as a natural part of the interglacial era we live in, would this activity, the retreat of the global impact of glaciation, not be expected to happen? So, the interesting part is that you call the science "conspiracy theory"... And you don't or won't admit that there is an obvious conflict of interest demonstrated by those folks who have a financial dependency on future funding. These are just facts. And yet they seem to unhinge you. Thin seems to be the word of the day...
     
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    The point I made is that you misrepresented the OP article.

    And, you promoted false ideas concerning the relationship between these concerns about glaciers and the science of climate change.

    It's you that is unhinged - somehow, it disturbed you to the point of promoting these false views.
     
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    Geothermal drilling. Let’s drill baby!
     
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    No, I called it a conspiracy theory when YOU said:

    "Sometimes we do have to recognize that those who's livelihoods are dependent on future public funding have a direct conflict of interest and usually create some significant credibility issues. And no, as far as I have seen, geothermal interactions aren't what either NOAA or NASA have been citing as to the predicted degradation of the antarctic glaciers. You know this. I know this. The disparity is the need for the faithful to package the narrative. I just point this out."

    That is YOU promoting a conspiracy theory against a broad field of science - if not all science.
     
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    If you are interested in harvesting geothermal energy for power production, there are many places that would be better choices. For one thing, there just aren't many customers on Antarctica.
     
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    I didn't . I agreed with Moi. The science is pretty clear here. Observable geothermal heating is effecting the glaciers there. Do you deny this? And subsequently claiming this effect is in fact "AGW based, your assertion" is false. Since you ignored the actual science, or at least the collected observable data here, it does seem you are unable to disassociate your religiosity from the facts. The truth is a natural function of the earth is potentially effecting these glaciers, which might have impacts. That doesn't mean that climate science has a narrative that includes these facts. In fact, your assertion is that the set of facts identified here don't exist because... global warming. climate change, whatever you folks call your religion these days.
     
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    How is that a conspiracy theory? It's a demonstrable conflict of interest. This is what it looks like. Take a breath. And when the agencies who facilitate the narrative need more and more resources because they must sustain their narrative, what do you call it? Clearly, this isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just observable fact. And you still haven't addressed the observable fact that where geothermal heat blooms exist that glacial degradation also exists. But that undermines the CO2 narratives... Inconvenient, huh...
     

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