Anti-depressants and first-person shooter video games: a deadly combination

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What has virtually every mass-shooting incident had in common?
    The perpetrators were on anti-depressants and playing first-person shooter video games.

    A fire needs several things to start. Wood, air to fuel the fire, a spark, and some lighter fluid.
    Guns are like the wood. The anti-depressants are like the air in which the fire can burn. The first-person shooter video games are the lighter fluid. And all it takes is a spark, something going on in that person's life. It could be school bullying, abusive parents, girlfriend dumped them, etc.

    Anti-depressants can alter the brain's chemical balance. There are warnings on many anti-depressants that they can increase the risk of suicide. Basically what those chemicals do is lessen the degree the individual feels bad about things. That may sound like a good thing, but over time this can deaden the individual's negative response to things they should feel negative about. As an example, when you're near the very edge of a cliff looking down, there's a part inside you that automatically screams out "Stop right here, don't go any further!"
    For a normal person, the very thought of killing someone brings revulsion. You can think about doing it, but when it comes to actually doing it most people would be very reluctant to carry it out. Even when the situation requires it, very often the person who shot the gun still feels bad about what they had to do, there's a part inside them overcome with some sense of remorse and guilt. But for an individual numbed out on anti-depressants, that automatic inner revulsion to taking someone's life isn't necessarily there.

    It only takes removing one of these elements to prevent the fire. Maybe there should be a clear warning on anti-depressants not to play shooter video games, or that they might not be recommended for individuals who have recently been playing a lot of first-person shooter video games. Maybe some of these anti-depressants need to be stopped being so aggressively marketed and prescribed. The pharmaceutical industry is making many billions of dollars off them.

    Now I'm not saying we need to ban violent video games, or completely ban anti-depressants, or ban guns for that matter. But what I am saying, we need to connect the dots.
     
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    A false conclusion, but not the first time it's been used. I grew up watching the Three Stooges on television. Not once did I bop anyone on the head or poke their eyes out. Even played Dungeons & Dragons, but had no impulses to act out the fantasy.

    The problem isn't anti-depressants (although definitely issues to be addressed here. ***) nor video games. In fact, I love playing a series of First-Person shooter apps under "Kill Shot" and never, ever once considered actually shooting someone. Why? Because I'm normal. Most people are. The problem isn't normal people being turned into psychopaths by games, movies or anti-depressants. The problem is mentally ill people not receiving the treatment they need. Improperly treated, they could be over-medicated, under-medicated and drawn into unhealthy obsessions with games or other activities.
     
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    SSRIs also may be used to treat conditions other than depression, such as anxiety disorders.





    SSRIs approved to treat depression
    The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved these SSRIs to treat depression:

    • Citalopram (Celexa)
    • Escitalopram (Lexapro)
    • Fluoxetine (Prozac)
    • Paroxetine (Paxil, Pexeva)
    • Sertraline (Zoloft)
    • Vilazodone (Viibryd)
    Fluvoxamine, an SSRI that’s approved by the FDA to treat obsessive-compulsive disorder, is sometimes used to treat depression.





    Possible side effects and cautions
    All SSRIs work in a similar way and generally can cause similar side effects, though some people may not experience any. Many side effects may go away after the first few weeks of treatment, while others may lead you and your doctor to try a different drug. If you can't tolerate one SSRI, you may be able to tolerate a different one, as SSRIs differ in chemical makeup.

    Possible side effects of SSRIs may include, among others:

    • Drowsiness
    • Nausea
    • Dry mouth
    • Insomnia
    • Diarrhea
    • Nervousness, agitation or restlessness
    • Dizziness
    • Sexual problems, such as reduced sexual desire or difficulty reaching orgasm or inability to maintain an erection (erectile dysfunction)
    • Headache
    • Blurred vision
    Taking your medication with food may reduce the risk of nausea. Also, as long as your medication doesn't keep you from sleeping, you can reduce the impact of nausea by taking it at bedtime.

    Which antidepressant is best for you depends on a number of issues, such as your symptoms and any other health conditions you may have. Ask your doctor and pharmacist about the most common possible side effects for your specific SSRI and read the patient medication guide that comes with the prescription.
     
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    Effects of serotonin reuptake inhibitors on aggressive behavior in psychiatrically hospitalized adolescents: results of an open trial.
    Constantino JN1, Liberman M, Kincaid M.
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    Abstract
    Low concentrations of the neurotransmitter serotonin and its 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid metabolite in the central nervous system have been associated with increased aggressive behavior in animals and humans. Controlled clinical trials of serotonin agonists in depressed adults have suggested that aggressive behavior is less likely during treatment with these medications than with placebo, but there have been no previous studies of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and aggression in children. We prospectively followed the course of aggressive behavior in 19 psychiatrically hospitalized adolescents (not selected for aggressiveness) who received open clinical trials of fluoxetine, paroxetine, or sertraline. The patients received standard doses (equivalent to fluoxetine 10-40 mg daily) for a minimum of 5 weeks. The starting dose was 15 +/- 5 mg, and dosages were raised at a mean rate of 5 mg every 4 days up to a mean dose of 25 +/- 10 mg daily. Results from trials of the three SSRIs were clustered because the sample sizes were not sufficient for separate analyses. Overall, there were no statistically meaningful improvements in the level of aggressive behavior, as measured on a modified version of the Overt Aggression Scale, over the course of these patients' SSRI trials. Symptoms of physical aggression toward others or self were manifest in 12 of the 19 patients while on SSRIs. Of the 19 patients, 13 were assessed both on and off SSRIs: verbal aggression (p = 0.04), physical aggression toward objects (p = 0.05), and physical aggression toward self (p < 0.02) occurred significantly more frequently on SSRIs than off; no increase was observed in physical aggression toward others. Patients with the highest baseline aggressivity scores did not show greater improvement during SSRI treatment. Further research is warranted, particularly to explore whether SSRIs may have therapeutic effects on aggression at higher (or lower) doses than were administered in this open trial.
     
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    Two things.

    First; are you depressed, or are you just pulling the stuff about antidepressants out of your arse?

    Second; that talk about mass shootings is bullshit. Don't talk bullshit, it makes you seem uninformed.
     
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    The matter largely stems from the fact that there are certain individuals free in society, who simply have no business being free in society to begin with. These are individuals who present a clear and present danger to themselves and others around them, and need not only constant observation, but also significant medication, simply to make them manageable, and docile enough to pass off as being civilized. These individuals simply have no business being free to walk around amongst others. There are too many advocates making excuses for these problematic individuals, and making it too difficult to adequately address them in the manner that is needed.
     
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    Only 1 week later, Looks like this thread was proved right:

    http://theduran.com/confirmed-vegas...-drugs-just-like-many-previous-mass-shooters/
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's a warning on diazepam that it can cause paranoid or suicidal ideation.
     
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    50 10 milligram pills in 4 months is not a big deal.

    Records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program obtained Tuesday show Paddock was prescribed 50 10-milligram diazepam tablets by Henderson physician Dr. Steven Winkler on June 21. A woman who answered the phone at Winkler’s office would not make him available to answer questions and would neither confirm nor deny that Paddock was ever a patient.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    wonder if there's any possibility he might have downed all the pills at once
    Some people do that when they're feeling suicidal. Could he have brought all those guns with him for some convention, and then in the heat of the moment, after downing all those pills, went bonkers?

    I know, I know, this is all wild speculation. At this point we don't have all the details.
    But remember that episode City on the Edge of Forever where McCoy accidentally injects himself with too much cordrazine and goes crazy?
     
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    FYI,
    One of the unintended side effects of many of these drugs on teens is suicidal idiations.

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    It was not an overdose or anything out of the ordinary except unknown side effects caused by seritonin reuptake inhibitors.
    Hitherto unknown effects.
     
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    Alternate version here in case that video doesn't work:

    (skip to halfway into the video)
     
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    Except Valium isn't an antidepressive, it's anti-anxiety medication. It mellows you out like you wouldn't believe. Also, the dosage he was prescribed was quite low.
     
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    Have you ever taken SSRI's?
     

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