Anti-Iran Hawk, John Bolton, Fired by Trump

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    While I don't see any realistic chance for a negotiation between Iran and the US anytime soon, certainly if there was a chance of any such things, folks like Bolton would need to go.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/trump-john-bolton-out/index.html

    Trump fires John Bolton
     
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    Just heard this news. I am surprised on this good news. Wonder if we'll ever find out the actual reason for his sacking
     
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    The problems between Trump and Bolton have existed on some issues, most clearly regarding Trump and his repeatedly expressed desire to negotiate with Iran. Something that Bolton, and Netanyahu, aren't keep on. Since Pompeo is basically a yes man for Trump, and follows whatever line Trump wants him to follow despite his own anti-Iran associations and past, the fact that he had moved in the direction of Trump irritated Bolton and soured their relationship. That soured relationship on top of the policy differences eventually saw Bolton get the boot. That is at least my initial understanding, although like you, I await to hear the reasons that will be given for the move.
     
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    Meanwhile Netanyahu made the announcement he was going to annex most of the West Bank if he gets re-elected. I was listening to talk last night which suggested he might not have known that Bolton was about to be sacked - that Bolton had been the person working with Netanyahu allowing him, to steal land unlawfully.
     
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    I am thrilled that Bolton is gone. :applause:
     
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    Yes, it is great news that Bolton got canned but I'm afraid that we haven't seen the last of the "Mad Moustache".

    According to anonymous staff members he was fired because he "got too big for his britches" and "didn't lay well in the sandbox".

    I can only imagine...
     
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    No surprise here. President Trump wants myrmidons to advise him.

    That said, good riddance to the war hawk!
     
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    I sat with Bolton on Saudia airlines years ago .. He's a nasty piece of work.. rude and belligerent.
     
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    Bolton is so obnoxious he would piss off Jesus.
     
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    I think pretty much everyone but the left and right war hawk establishment thinks this is a good move by Trump.

    You know this to be the case when they attack Trump indirectly instead of over the firing itself.
     
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    Well this is albeit much attention so far is a huge development in my opinion. The further left contingent opinions of our peers are afraid to say the truth. This was a surprisingly correct thing to do.

    I was always amazed at Boltons appt from the get go. He is a pillar of the old guard utterly retarded take it with us to the grave State Dept and foreign ME policies that havnt benefited my country at all. Notice I didnt say they caused irreparable harm and mischief globally with that policy which it has...no I'm simply pissed off I as citizen I gained zero and the cost was high. Zero return. Not even geopolitically.
     
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    The firing of Bolton is significant, but not quite for the reasons people imagine. With regard to the issues Iran faces, and the actual options and policies the US has as its disposal, not much has changed. With or without Bolton, there are dozens of officials, hundreds of paid lobbyists, and thousands of personalities in various think tanks, media organizations, and other institutions, which will read from the same script. And try to apply the same pressures that Bolton tried. And will all be met with the same forces that refused to heed the most irresponsible aspects of those policies, while seeking to appease them by pushing what they ultimately want: the US pursuing policies would bring about an implosion in Iran. Since an implosion in Iran, by whatever tactic, isn't what Iran would want anyway, nothing changes regardless. Except the following, which is also why Bolton is no longer sitting in his office:

    There are those with connections to what people here sometimes call the "deep state", and those with links to the Europeans, and links with government officials in Iran, who imagine that what they managed once, they can manage again. Namely, set the stage for another appeasement by Iran through negotiations, this time aiming even higher than what the JCPOA accomplished. These figures have managed to win the ear of Trump, if not quite his willingness to totally go with what they have in mind in some of its details. But for the pro Israel lobby, Trump's reluctance to fully go with the important details that (even if adopted, would be unlikely to be sufficient to fool the ultimate decision maker in Iran on this issue, namely Iran's Supreme Leader) was not enough. They overplayed their hand, trying to put Trump (who doesn't like being boxed) into what he felt was a corner. He tried to get out of it, began signalling a greater willingness to entertain these plans, and then discovered the pro Israel lobby actually trying to intimidate him further by being behind certain unfavorable leaks and stories. And even by engaging in acts of espionage and wiretapping: Trump's communications were wiretapped by the Israelis, even though Trump didn't want to openly admit to it, he knew the evidence from the FBI was incontrovertible and left no room for any doubt. In this process, Trump fired the most obvious public face of these things, namely Bolton, but Trump knows the nature of the beast better anyone else. And as stubborn and thin skinned he is, ultimately I still don't see him willing to risk an open rift with his "best friends" in Israel either.

    Of course, if Trump's "best friend", Netanyahu, loses the Israeli elections, he will be off the hook. Much of the inside shenanigans are ultimately desperate moves by Netanyahu to stay relevant. Something that would be in great jeopardy if somehow the "Iran threat" is taken off of his speeches and vocabulary. While all Israeli politicians are totally in line with the general thrust of the policies pursued by all these actors who ultimately have the same objectives, namely to weaken Iran and remove it (and the forces Iran sponsors) as (in their mind) the last standing challenge to US/Israeli hegemony in the region, the idea that the right tactics is accomplished by having Iran presented as the "world's biggest threat" is only peculiar to a small group led by Netanyahu.
     

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