Anti poverty plan.

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  1. Brett Nortje

    Brett Nortje Well-Known Member

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    All around the world, the poor are sick of waiting for promises to be kept. they have waited for the state to solve their problems, and they have not come good. this is the time for a solution.

    If the new settlements were to be set up around 'the big city' in the industrial areas, there could be development around rail way lines, where the people would travel from place to place easily. expecting them to cram the path to work even more would lead to horrid traffic problems.

    Then, as they are in the hub of the 'industrial sector,' they need to look for and promote their own businesses. there are a lot of factories that are unused in each area, so they could all put together and buy their own factory, with a debt of their own, with a plan of their own.

    But, what could the plan be? if they were to look around shops near them, and find things they think are 'too expensive,' they could enquire how much these things cost in other cities or countries. this would lead to them identifying something that is up for competition. this would be their plan, they would all research how to best address the problem of goods being too expensive and them needing jobs.

    If they would march, peacefully, and carry placards stating their plan, i am sure an investor would enquire as to their plan. then they would not even need a loan. this would be where they could also put together and 'post a plan' on a consultancy web site, or, even in the 'business ads?'

    Transport and jobs. houses they could build themselves, as, they are not expensive to build.
     
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    Interesting. Yes, theoretically it should be that simple.

    I have wondered though, does the availability of desirable land have anything to do with it? I mean productivity. Some land is useless desert, or barren tundra. If we are talking about starting off with the basic natural resources, you need timber (or coal fuel to make the metal for structural purposes), and you need a nearby supply of water. Preferably fresh water (but with new advances in technology it might be possible to utilize salt water, although much less efficiently). Then there is the Winter temperatures, because that can make living and industry less convenient. Not to say these obstacles can't be overcome, but it must certainly be counted as a drain in productivity, to say nothing of quality of life.

    So yes, you start with what is holding you back the most because it's too expensive to buy, and you produce that and then sell it to other people elsewhere to obtain the rest of the goods you need. So, presumably, along this line of reasoning we just have to identify what is most expensive. In a way, this is sort of what Minnesota's economy did with developing its healthcare sector economy.

    Some economists have speculated that what's really holding the poor back is capital. Business capital, capital in the form of expertise at doing something, but of course also capital in the form of expensive equipment that makes tasks more efficient when it is applied to large scale of production. It does take someone responsible to manage this expensive capital, and there needs to be appropriate incentives. Something that the Soviet system had much difficulty correctly working out, but which the Chinese state-owned but market run companies seemed to have more success at.
     
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    Another problem is that it's all about competition, and some people simply are not cut out to do certain tasks. This is especially true in an advanced skilled service economy.
    We talk about government regulation of certain professions holding people back, but do we really want just anyone being lawyers of physicians? And many people in the population could just never be a lawyer or physician, they do not have the ability to succeed academically for one thing. Maybe we need to talk about trying to restructure the professions to try to minimize credentialism as much as possible.

    Some people talk about comparative advantage between different members of society, but I don't really think that's true when we look generation to generation. The capital wealth has a way of accumulating to those who have the competitive advantage, and then the children born into the next generation are left with the situation that is.
     
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    That's true some people are disabled with issues and well are not appealing to employers over fit and better looking people, others are just average people who can learn skills say working on an assembly line but can't hope to work in something like fixing mechanical systems in a robot intensive factory or must settle for what jobs they can get on or off the books. But say you offered micro-lending and some people who were poor opened very small businesses they are competing with box stores and serious small businesses so they would still need to stand out with lower prices (food vendors in New York you meet on the local neighborhoods rarely have permits and licenses so can sell cheaper than others) or you need a craft to do that stands out or some service to offer and if done legally the red tape can be a big problem.
     
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    What needs to be done is to stop the greed. That's the problem particularly in this country., WE have so much wealth, why should only a tiny percentage get it all while the rest suffers? We should not have the rates of homelessness, poverty, child poverty that we do in this country. It's embarrassing. Meanwhile others have their own jets, private Islands, 10 houses, 100 expensive cars, and still they want more.

    People who work should not be living in poverty. Reagan started this disaster mentality of "greed is good" and it is the cause of most of our problems. Nobody is saying people should nto be rich, live nicely. What they have today is enough for 100 lifetimes of extravagance.

    Everything in this country has become about making the most profits. TV, news, media, sports, corporations, everything, squeeze as much profits out for the stakeholders at all costs.

    And these companies buy up all the competition, and just get even more powerful. Our gov't works for the corporations, not the people. We need to change that or they will just continue to take until it gets so bad they can't make any more money because nobody can buy their products
     
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    The problem is consumer things and a lot more are cheaper to make in second and third world countries so what the hell are you smoking the remaining factory jobs tend to demand a high skill set in some cases an apprenticeship or a two year degree IN manufacturing technology which still may end up as a job making $12 an hour when done. Unless Americans boycott goods made overseas and demand they be made here things won't change but that means paying more for all those goods.

    I'm oddly better off onON SSI I get a check every month, food stamps, discounted bus passes, can go to any charity for clothes and food help and can get government housing aid and am on Medicaid so pay little for health care what the HMO won't cover still a bargain. If I worked I would need to make a lot per hour to compensate.

    Poor people could start by voting for one party to get change they would swing an election or in local to State offices could put a new party into power and maybe a chunk of the Congress now that would scare the brown stuff out of politicians of both main parties.
     
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