Antisemitism in Europe

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Europe killed 6 Million Jews and in return got 20 Million Muslims
     
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    hate to tell you, it is acknowledged that it is the far right whose antisemitism is increasing - and they are supported by Israel. Think about that.
    This
    does not sound plausible. 'Germany' cannot even speak.
     
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    Please provide a reliable source for your claim that "The newspaper felt the need to print this cut out kippah because Germany told the Jewish Community 'it was their fault for being victims of hate crime for dressing so Jewish".
    It very much seems this thread is based silly anti-Germanism.

    History is not repeating itself. Like so many times before, either you are just very illinformed or you're deliberately lying. Either way, it's rather pathetic. The star of David during the Third Reich and the kippa have two very different purposes and meanings. You're actively trying to distort the facts.
    Bild used the kippa as a sign against anti-semitism and urged its readers to show solidarity with jewish citizens.
    Bild [...] waded into the debate, calling on readers to "stand in solidarity with (their) Jewish neighbours" by making "their own kippa", bearing the star of David, to "raise the flag against anti-Semitism".
    https://www.thelocal.de/20190527/german-newspaper-bild-prints-cut-out-kippa-to-fight-anti-semitism
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/31/germans-urged-wear-kippah-protest-antisemitism
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/27/europe/bild-kippah-anti-semitism-scli-intl-grm/index.html
     
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    Don't question the validity of BBC, CNN, The Guardian and other sources who ran with this story on this German Newspaper in response to Germany saying it was the Jews fault for hate crimes for dressing so Jewish; who are you?
    Please provide the forum with proof you're not spamming.
     
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    Antisemitism in the case of Europe is acts against Jewish people in our states, be it UK or Germany or wherever.
    Not to be confused with the Jewish state, it's about protecting Jews in our states.

    I doubt Germany have the rights of minorities like the UK. I don't know for sure, but I do doubt it.
     
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    Rhetoric I have read your link and it does not say what you say. It says that there has been a rise in antisemitism from the far right and in response to this a Government minister said he couldn't advise Jews to wear the Kippah everywhere - that means to make it obvious they are a Jew just like Muslim women with headscarves show they are Muslims. The guy got very upset at the idea that there was anywhere in Germany where a Jew could not happily wear a kippah and so presented the paper ones asking everyone to wear them doing the old 'we are all Jews' support. What you are saying is not what your link is saying. The kippahs are not for Jews but an appeal for solidarity and no one is suggesting that Jews are responsible for the increase in antisemitism in the link you gave. Quite the opposite.

    You must have read something else other than your link which you have not put in.
     
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    I don't think you are a mod or an administrator of this forum.
    I didn't doubt the story in any way as my links clearly show and you would have noticed that if you read carefully.
    Where are your sources for the claim that Bild newspaper "felt the need to print this cut out kippah because Germany told the Jewish Community 'it was their fault for being victims of hate crime for dressing so Jewish".
    Unlike you I can read Bild in its original and the paper didn't say what you claim they did. Sources for that claim of yours!
     
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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...skullcaps-solidarity-jews-amid-u-turn-safety/

    Apparently the German government did a U-Turn from telling the Jews antisemitism is their own fault, and wants Jews to wear their skull caps.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...skullcaps-solidarity-jews-amid-u-turn-safety/

    This print out from this newspaper with the print out was in solidarity to the Jewish community for Germany having said that.
     
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    You mean with all those Nazi regime era pictures of Jews forced to wear the Star of David?

    I sourced those from Google to reiterate my own point that I saw/see history repeating itself. Take it as my own observation of the story, if you will.
     
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    I wonder how many Muslims killed how many Americans Vs. How many Americans killed how many Muslims?
     
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    It seems you don’t understand your own sources. It doesn't say anywhere that Bild "felt the need to print this cut out kippah because Germany told the Jewish Community 'it was their fault for being victims of hate crime for dressing so Jewish". This is not mentioned in your links. It's really weird that you keep repeating something that isn't in the original story and isn't mentioned in your links in any way, yet you insist it was mentioned. Why these lies?

    Felix Klein, the German government’s anti-Semitism commissioner, warned Jewish men at the weekend not to wear traditional kippah or yarmulke skullcaps amid a sharp rise in anti-Semitic attacks.

    This triggered Bild’s action and their call for solidarity with Jewish citizens.

    Mr Klein later backed away from his initial warning, saying it was intended as “a way of raising the alarm”.
    “I call on all citizens of Berlin and across Germany to wear the kippah next Saturday if there are new, intolerable attacks targeting Israel and Jews on the occasion of Al-Quds Day in Berlin,” he said in a statement. Bild, Germany’s highest-selling newspaper, produced cut-out-and-wear skullcaps for people to wear.

    You haven't provided any source that states what you claim.
     
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    You know, Muslims could be the New Jews too you know, in this whole witch hunt thing, let's rename/rebrand this thread as 'History repeating its self' @MGB ROADSTER
     
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    Religious persecution in a Catholic society made the Protestant Huguenots flee France.
    Religious persecution in a Protestant society of Catholics in England with Queen Elizabeth I.
    Religious persecution in a Nationalist Socialist society of Jews in Germany with the Nazi Regime.
    Persecution of the Muslims because America let a bunch of Butt hole Muslims take over a bunch of Butt hole American held places gained from a bunch of Butt hole Muslims... Europe getting in on it too going 'let's ban the burka'...
     
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    grr... ? WTF ?
    I think Europe's Christians are in danger .. Not Muslims.
     
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    Yes the far right. The people which commited the last antisemitic attack like the one which murdered Sarah Halimi, "Kobili Traoré", the one which murdered Mireille Knoll, "Yacine" which is suspected to have yelled "Allahu Akbar", the one which commited the hypercasher attack (same day as Charlie Hebdo) Coulibaly, the one which attacked the jewish school of Toulouse "Mohammed Merah" are all "far right". No they're far left, those last years, it's the far left which kill jews in Europe.
     
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    All the information from Germany is perfectly clear that the vast majority of antisemitism comes from where it always comes from the far right and not from Muslims though I think main Islamophobia comes from the extreme right as well.
     
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    No that stuff is just stuff you added to try to create a picture that Germany is the Germany of the thirties

    I was pointing out that your claim that
    Is both inflammatory and untrue. It has however been pointed out to you several times and if you are not going to acknowledge that, there is nothing more that can be done.
     
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    Yes and it's just a coincidence if the increase of antisemitism correlate strangely with all the migration.
    Furthermore, it would be interesting to get the definition of "far right" they give, or just to get the face of the attackers, because some people would be able to consider a salafist as "far right".
     
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    Unless you have evidence that Germany is lying there is nothing more to say.
     
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    I just says we don't get how he define "far right", but I'm pretty sure you have the definition the german use ? Because I didn't found it. So please, because apparently you have access to that precious information, can you give me the definition of "far right" used by the german government to do his statistics on antisemitic attacks ? It would be very nice and generous of you.

    So, on a hand we have a blurry definition of "far right" without the identity of the people which commited the attack and in the other hand we have a certain fact, the identity of all the people which commited antisemitic murder since that new century in France.

    I wonder what is the most solid thing we can base ourselves on.
     
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    You know what the far right is generally assumed to be. You just have a problem because you support it while not supporting violence. So in Germany if it were the far right we would have an increase in attacks from people who have a hatred of Jews for being Jews. I think in France because of the antipathy between Algerian Jews and Muslims due to Algerian Jews being on the side of the French against the Muslims, you have an old friction. However I can remember reading that around the time this 'new antisemitism' was created the reason given was because it was believed that France's Muslims were the main antisemities in France. However I also remember reading that research showed this was not true though that did not stop people reporting it. Friction between Muslims and Jews almost always has a political base. Attacks from the far right to Jews is caused by hatred of Jews for being Jews.

    There is an interesting article here where Aljazeera is talking about how the Austrian and German far right have developed a love of Israel to whitewash their hatred of Jews. Currently that hatred is primarily aimed at Muslims and along and with that they try to blame Muslims for current antisemitism.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/o...ism-palestinians-muslims-190108114821148.html
     
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    I don't care of what the far right is generally assumed to be, I care of the one definition that is used by german police.

    I don't really get what is the "it", but if it's hatred against jews, I couldn't care less of them. However, I have a great hositlity toward anyone which try to import their israelian palestinian conflict in France, it's most of the times jews and muslims, but not only.

    That's just then a big hypothesis. There is one solid fact, the identity of people which commited antisemitic murder those last years.

    Every terrorist try to rationnalize their attacks. You won't make believe that when you shoot a 5 YO in the head, there is no hatred behing that. White far right has also a political base behind their hatred, they often mention that billionaire from hungarian origin I just forgot the name.
    Furthermore, you can't ignore the religious roots in the hatred of jews by muslim, with that hadith saying something like "at the end of the time, the muslims will kill the jews, and the jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rock would says "there is jew behind me". I'm quoting from memory, I get the "but that's not a valid hadith". Who care ? There is enough people in the muslim world to believe in that.

    And, you can rationnalize in anyway the hatred of muslims to the jews, in the end, it's same results : violence and death.

    You speak of that media of the qatar, one of the biggest founder of ISIS. Furthermore, I can't trust a media which act "we all love gay people" but has death penalty against gay people. I think I will pass.

    I heard twice algerian people saying that "yahudi" was an insult for "cheater" in Algeria and that "jew son of a jew" is an insult right there.
     
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    I am not talking about terrorist attacks which appear to be in France/Belgium a mixture of retaliation for France's attacks in Syria, poor intelligence and too many Muslims who appear not to be given a chance or be crazy. That is not who I was talking about.

    The reality is that Muslim 'antisemitism' while it does sometimes take on the sayings of the West, has always come from politics. Hence for instance according to Anthony Lerman a British Jew and expert on antisemitism when there was the belief that there was going to be a two state solution, antisemitism in the ME massively diminished. There has been the intent as you will have noticed if your read the link I gave, to link criticism of Israel with antisemitism and this is something the far right - Le Pen is considered far right though of course there is also generation identity who are more obviously at the moment. There are also lots of people hanging round such people claiming not to be the far right - it will be for the future to see if they move away or acknowledge being so. However if we go back to antisemitism. Antisemitism is hatred of Jews for being Jews and with that the concept of what is a Jew is based on some nasty stereotype. Once someone is found to be a Jew by such people they no longer are the individual they are but are some nasty stereotype to be hated/ got rid of so on. Spend a couple of days at Stormfront if you want to understand what that is. They believe they are responsible for all the bad things that happen in the world and even more they believe that regardless of their political opinion. Hence they believe Left wing Jews are up to just the same as right wing just choosing a different way. That is basically antisemitism as prejudice as the same sort of thing as people who do not like blacks or who see all Muslims as terrorists.

    The idea of antisemitism being blamed for political views which point out Israel faults appears to be one loved of both the far right of Austria and Germany, maybe with Germany more than the far right -check out the link I gave as well of course as Israel. This is somewhere where Israel and the far right come together. This is also against Jews who have a different philosophical and political thinking and I would say misuse of the term antisemitism whether it is being aimed at Muslims or the Left - Jews and others.
     
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