Anyone Nervous?

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Anyone Nervous?

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So far I haven't had to read past the first sentence in one of your sources, and the headline in another.

    Keep flailing around for us.
     
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    And that neatly characterises your nature. You don't read the evidence. Thanks for being so clear! :)
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean like quoting from your own source:

    Abstract
    This paper is a direct response to Wilkinson’s (1996) call for more research into housing insecurity and health. It explores the consequences of mortgage arrears for both the health of indebted home owners and their use of primary health care services.

    Results: Housing repossession is associated with an increased risk of common mental illness (adjusted odds ratio 1.61, 95% confidence interval 1.10 to 2.36)

    The test of a well-functioning housing system is the wellbeing of its occupants. It may therefore seem encouraging that in jurisdictions dominated by mortgage-backed home ownership, owner-occupiers traditionally report better physical and mental health than renters. During the 2000s, however, in an era of financial crisis, wellbeing at the edges of ownership came under strain.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean like direct quotes from the sources you provided?

    See above.
     
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    And then ignoring my quote? ;)

    Crikey you right wingers are crap at disputing evidence. No wonder Trump doesn't bother and just expects worship :)
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The quote where you leave out the relevant part, you mean.
     
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    You don't understand that you're reading their motivation and I'm quoting their conclusions? Crikey. I might have to help you alot! I don't mind. I don't think right wingers can't be helped. I'm here for you. Private message me and we can put in a plan of action together. I know some primary school teachers who have some free time and motivation to help :)
     
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    Oh I see. You think their conclusions regarding the defining subject matter of the study itself exists in it's own bubble.

    Here's the hard truth for you: all of your studies only show increased rates of mental illness for the particular group of home owners WHO ARE IN DEBT AND CAN'T PAY THEIR MORTGAGE

    You're welcome to keep thrashing around with that hook in your mouth if you want. I don't care.
     
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    This is very ignorant. They of course set up an obvious hypothesis; you, as always, didn't read their analysis. Through their research they derive obvious conclusions. That you ignore that evidence, and go into 'grunt and trump' routine, is indicative of a bigger problem. Populism over evidence.
     
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    Yes it's very ignorant to point out that all homeowners DOES NOT EQUAL homeowners who can't pay their mortgage.

    I mean everyone knows that if you have a mortgage you're going to default on the loan and get mental illness.

    Once you've gotten rid of the home and live in a cardboard box with no mortgage, you become more carefree and mentally stable.
     
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    I referred to an obvious point. I supported it with evidence. You whined. Is that all you can do?
     
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    No need to respond. Right wingers don't rely on evidence, nor do they read it to critique. They just grunt. Its what they do!
     
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    Willful blindness never ceases to amaze.
     
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    You forgot content! Perhaps a denial of the research linking poverty risk and home ownership rates? That would be interesting.
     
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    A study in 2008, from something called Wiley Online Library. You really have got to do better than that.

    When people take on debt at their maximum capability of repayment, without consideration of possible adverse events, of course there is going to be stress. Some people like to play 'keeping up with the Jones' and if they bite off more than they can chew, they will likely end up in foreclosure.

    Things have changed a mite since 2008, you might want to do some research on the overall financial conditions here in the USA about that time. A number of years have passed since then. Foreclosure rates have changed just a wee bit.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/798766/foreclosure-rate-usa/
     
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    This really isnt a cunning response. No point in really trying to debate. Waste of time. Nevertheless, have a jolly day!
     
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    Ah, part and parcel, side stepping data I did provide, because it shows current trend.

    No one can twist your arm to acknowledge that your data is weak, but it's obvious on the face of it.

    TaTa!
     
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    One doesn't refer to data, one refers to hypothesis testing based on data analysis.

    You have to go past the spurious! We know that home owners have advantages. That's because richer people can more easily acquire housing stock with investment and housing services potential. Control for such effects and we get to the roots. For example, neoliberal country has been able to use home ownership to reduce investment in the welfare state. End result? An economy based on debt which hampers entrepreneurial spirit.

    Squint if you cant see through the right wing fog!
     
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    I've been selling these new highs, for several weeks, at a rate of 1/2% each time.

    What are you doing?
     
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