Anyone still BELIEVE Trump ?

The accuracy of his statements certainly warrants research before making any decision, unfortunately. But they're more accurate than the propagandous leftwing media by a long shot.

The lists of 'Trump lies' it puts out are far more accurately overgeneralizations and exaggerations. Which he should certainly avoid. But when the media says 'he's a liar' because he said he was on the cover of Time Magazine 'like 20 times' and it was really 14 times... its clear they have unreasonable expectations.

I think half of it is they just wanna push him up to the teleprompter so he can be puppeteered by establishment shills, like previous 'presidents'.

 

IMHO........I think you have it taped. The Corleone analogy is a nice touch. ( appropriate) too)
as far as Trump avid supporters........which has similarities to a cult........ nothing will change their position. As with true believers........ their "faith" is bound to over rule logic, facts and reason As long as they know what they are supporting and doing it with intent.......that is their choice. But such rigid mindsets are hard to comprehend.......... as nothing is fixed in stone.

 

I've also known about him for the same amount of time and got nauseated after a while always seeing his face stuffed in front of a camera whether it was on the Howard Stern show talking about his war on STDs during the Vietnam war, or commercials on TV for his steaks. We were barraged with Trump this and Trump that, even his own football league, the United States football league which flopped in just 2 short years, like his steaks. I even saw him, descending the escalator at the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City only he had another woman on the escalator with him, not Melania. He liked the grand entrance, that's for sure. And his Trump-everything commercial store inside of Trump Tower is an entire novelty store dedicated to Trump ****. Towels, hats, sippy cups, chocolates....all with the Trump gold logo on them. He's a clown, an idiot, a traitor, racketeer, a racist, and an all-around snake in the grass. And here we are 2018, his administration filled with controversy, indictments and investigation and people stick up for him, defending every vile thing he has been doing.

 

Heard about this on BBC Dateline today:

Fact Checker Analysis
Meet the Bottomless Pinocchio, a new rating for a false claim repeated over and over again

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...eated-over-over-again/?utm_term=.fd7376d034bf

.....and yes it was n reference to Trump lies


..he has a serious credibility & respect deficit.

 

What you just said....well, it's precious. Moving on, one of the greatest lies, and there's many to choose from, but one of the greatest was his lie about the new tax reform bill.

Tax reform will 'cost me a fortune'
Tax reform “is going to cost me a fortune — this thing, believe me, believe me, this is not good for me,” the president told a Missouri crowd on Nov. 29.

This is false. An NBC News analysis of the House tax plan — the only piece of tax-related legislation that had passed in Congress at the time of Trump's statement — found that it would personally save the president $20 million. His family was estimated to save more than $1 billion based on his reported wealth and his 2005 tax return, the only publicly available return.

The tax bill has been modified since then, but the president still stands to gain personally: His limited liability companies will be taxed at a lower rate, thanks to the changes on how pass-through income is treated, while the larger commercial real estate industry is expected to significantly benefit.

 

It is a fascinating cultural phenomena to have these supporters defend such a vile person. He IS vile. His narcissism is over powering and dictates his pathological behaviour. Why some folks like this kind of person is puzzlement. But maybe they are of like mindedness.
The question is : how FAR would they go to support their leader ??? What is the hold he has on them?? Fascinating psychology here. Is it an under education issue?? If so.....then perhaps the education system must be there for EVERYONE .........as an under educated population is a liability.

 

Well its like this. You know how all racists are bigots but not all bigots are racist?

Well in this case all trump's lies are bullshit, but not all trump's bullshit are lies. Some are exaggerations, some are generalizations, some are gross misrepresentations and some are just plain stupid incoherence. Its clear you have unreasonable expectations of how the media handles trump waste management.

 

Well there's still neo-Nazis 73 years after Hitler and the Nazi movement was destroyed so I guess we've got to tolerate these nincumpoops for a few generations more.

 

I know what the news has reported so far, and I've followed the ways the investigative process has been abused, the kinds of extreme bias that has permeated the entire process, and the kinds of "convictions" they got for crimes that amount to nothing other than a way to claim convictions. I don't know how deep the rotten fish has to get before you realize that is all there is- but that IS all we've seen, and it stinks. Mueller has nothing. IF he had a big fish, he wouldn't be waving the minnows around claiming they were trophies.

 

Beautiful.!!.......Love it.

 

And if you added all those "crimes" together, you wouldn't have anything much stronger than shoplifting in the public world. Mueller's net is full of minnows, not whales. He's telling you they count, because he has nothing that really counts. If he did, he wouldn't be chasing the minnows.

Fact is that the laws we have are so complex that university studies say that anyone involved in anything of complicated nature, business or similar, violates on average 3 criminal laws a day without even knowing it. All it takes is a zealous prosecutor. If you doubt that, ask yourself why we have several people incarcerated today in federal prisons for importing lobster in plastic boxes instead of wooden ones. I think the number currently is 8 imprisoned on that basis. Now, we don't even have a law against that; prosecutors have used a special law that allows prosecution of our citizens when violation of a law of another country is violated. Honduras had that law years back to protect their lumber industry, but quit using it years ago.... but didn't repeal it. So when it's useful, our more aggressive prosecutors use things like that to convict and destroy people they can't convict of real crimes. We have criminalized so many things that no normal person would think criminal, it's ridiculous. Event the experts and lawyers can't keep track of it.

Now you probably think I just made that up. So, do a little fact-checking. Or, just check this story link on a guy doing over 6 years hard time for receiving lobster in plastic bags.
https://ideatransfuser.wordpress.co...ter-importing-to-prison-a-story-of-violation/

 

ACtually he would. And he isn't waving them around. He is methodically picking them off one by one as he moves higher up the chain.

As to prosecutorial malfeasance, its the only defense most of them have got. And if you think lying about contacts with adversarial foreign powers and engaging in premature negotiations "amount to nothing", then you don't have a very good handle on what national security is all about. OTOH, it does appear both you and flynn have the same lack of understanding. go figger.

 

Why is it that all of the sudden so many 'law and order' types, think Congress and regulatory agencies have written a lot of panty waist 'lawlets' that nobody should bother to prosecute and sentence and those are all sitting conveniently at Mueller's disposal to abuse. These are real statutes on the books and regulations clearly defined, with real criminal penalties and everything!

When prosecutors successfully prosecute criminal behavior, I see it as a plus.

 

Donald Trump has said 3924 false things as U.S. president

http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/


...and counting. " Diagnosis": serial liar

Just as some are keeping track of all his Twitter rants........ several organizations are keeping track of his lies. ( with fact checking) Wonder if the future holds a computer game :"Trump's lies and NO consequences. "

 

Four people sentenced to prison, one convicted at trial, seven guilty pleas, 36 entities and people charged and 192 in all criminal counts. Where the heck are you getting your news? Oh yeah.....Fox

The Mueller investigation is just getting warmed up, the minnows are leading him right to the big, fat, bloated, blond, rotten fish at the top of the rot pile.

 

Reducing prison sentences in cooperating with the special counsel seems like a good deal. You have to look at it through the lens of Paul Manafort or Michael Cohen. Federal prison doesn't sound like a flattering place, and if you can reduce your sentence, you're gonna do it. They are not perjury traps. If you have nothing to hide, and tell the truth and nothing but the truth, you have nothing to fear. I would look into this Russian national and her American boyfriend and their relationship with the campaign. It's not a question of if there was collusion, but how and when there was collusion. We have tons of Trump operatives who had Russian contacts during the campaign that have come forward about it now. There was collusion, let's not fool ourselves.

And Gregg Jarett saying Michael Flynn is not guilty is not simply "not liking what Fox presents." It's a disconnection from reality. Flynn lied to the FBI, its documented that he did so, but you're going to have a lot of Trump folk who read that Jarett article and think Flynn isn't, and that the FBI is wrong. It's well known by now that Fox News cozies up to the Trump administration. Responsible men and women don't fall for such nonsense.

 

The rotten fish is in the Oval Office....

 

Secondly-
There are two factors you are ignoring.

First- we have so many regulations and rules that can define normal situations as criminal, the the average person in any kind of involved role in life is violating about 3 prosecutable laws everyday, while not even aware of it or intending to violate a law. Politifact estimates that 70% of us have done something that could put us in jail..we have the most complex legal codes in the world. What that means is that if any person or authority that can control legal actions chooses to, YOU can be prosecuted right now.

When lawmakers don't even know how many laws exist, how can citizens be expected to follow them?
Reynolds: You are probably breaking the law right now
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/29/crime-law-criminal-unfair-column/70630978/


Secondly, the assumption that those with the power and latitude to decide how to prosecute will always do so with integrity, and respect the value of the system rather than selectively use it to serve their own bias or priorities. How is it that Clinton can delete thousands of emails, destroy laptops and cell phones and be in clear violation of a variety of laws- but gets a pass; when Trump is pursued like a pack of hounds on a trail with nothing but implied suspicions? If you can't see the blatant violation of equal process, you are telling us that your own bias overrides your character and your judgment is so much trash. One-sided judgment destroys the entire premise of justice for the sake of a person's personal peeve. Is it worth it? Throw out the foundation of justice so you can tell yourself you won something?






Reynolds: You are probably breaking the law right now
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/29/crime-law-criminal-unfair-column/70630978/

 

Is your point you actually don't think that Flynn, Manifort, and Cohen are not guilty of significant crimes? Or is your point that nobody should ever be convicted of anything since everyone can be found to break some law at some point?

 

But you have indeed fooled yourself.
Read the full story of the Flynn charges and the way it was handled. Not Fox opinion- facts determined through documentation and testimony that had to be pried out of the FBI, who is still blocking a large portion of it in a CYA move that is contrary to the very essence of justice. If you don't see the scam there, you probably also believe that we never landed on the moon, that the holocaust didn't happen, and the earth is flat.

History shows it is fairly easy to scam the general public when you have enough control over authority and media. It's not the average joe that actually knows what's going on. They do fall for nonsense; some of it so incredibly obvious fraud that it's hard to believe anybody buys it. If you were around and followed the details of the JFK assassination, followed the small stories and local things that were filtered out of national news, of the suppression of contradictory witnesses, you knew that the entire nation was sold a story. If you know anything about ballistics and watched the Zapruder film, you know that Kennedy took one shot from the front, which could not possibly have come from Oswald- yet they sold that to the public and got away with it.

Only a fool believes that the legal system is always above board, is not subject to personal bias, to bribes, to corruption and political obligations. I've been around a long time, and I've seen all of it.

 

You mean that you don't like Trump, because obviously he expects more of you than you are willing to bring to the table. How rotten of him.

 

I expect more of my President than dishonesty, insult, pettiness, nihilism, and ignorance of almost everything the job entails.

 

A pathological disorder is one explanation; Trump is mentally ill. The long-term consequences for Republicans will be disastrous and already are in states along the West Coast.

 

The American criminal justice system is broken. When everyone is a felon no one is a felon.

“The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day.” Alan Dershowitz, http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229

 

Nice spin