AOC cuts the Conservative Sacred Cow

You still haven't answered the question. I'm actually responding to you. The obsession is yours...

 

Eh, I think there's a lot more she can do than that. It's a pretty blue district so there's no chance of some GOP person challenging her - but on the other hand I bet Pelosi could find someone to run against her in the primaries - after a suitable and anonymous smear campaign occurs, and Lord knows the Amazon fiasco - and her own words - could be used to hoist AOC on her own petard. It's not as if that kind of conspiracy is unheard of - look at what the DNC did to Sanders, or rather look at how the DNC did whatever it could to bend the rules for Hilla while preventing anyone running and succeeding against her. And before you think think I'm derailing the thread there, I mention that particular instance because it's an example everyone here knows about; I personally have seen the same strings pulled by my teachers union AND by admins behind the scenes and in secret to get rid of irritants several times and I'm sure most here with work experience have as well.

AOC is embarrassing Pelosi. Just when she gets the big chair back, this upstart punk is out there making waves and challenging her authority. She's giving the right free ammunition to laugh at the left. I've never known the big guns - in ANY group - to just sit there and take it. But Pelosi is smart; she's not gonna make it obvious that she's the one masterminding any kind of operation like that.

 

Pelosi needs AOC. She needs someone out there who can push the party left. AOC is the best thing to happen to the DNC and Pelosi knows it

 

There was some discussion years ago here - and it was probably from Jack - about the issue of "racial intelligences" - i.e., Asians tend to have higher scores in - I dunno, I guess logical-mathematical, while Jews would be more linguistic, Blacks more musical/kinesthetic and so forth. It went something like that; the basic explanation as to why you see more Jews as lawyers and not drafters.

 

Pelosi needs someone who can push the party left, that is true. What she DOESN'T need is someone to energize the right AGAINST the left and provide conservatives will all the ammunition they need to make the left look bad. Worse, she DOESN'T need some young upstart challenging her own leadership. AOC is doing both things.

Someone from the left pushing a Green New Deal with sanity works for Pelosi. AOC saying we need to eliminate planes and cows in ten years and hand out money to people who don't want to work - basically highlighting how crazy she is, and by extension the left which supported her crusade? That was counterproductive - it worked against Pelosi. I mean, AOC gave a weak excuse as to why the FAQ was put online and said the "real" one would be up soon - and it still isn't.

I'll say it again: When you have the right almost to a man saying that they love AOC and want her to keep talking, it probably isn't a good sign for the left. About the only parallel I can draw with her is James Watt, who was a living lightning rod for Reagan back in the day. Watt would say some pretty outrageous stuff which drew attention away from other things going on at the time. So far as I can tell, that's the only useful thing AOC does for Pelosi. But considering Watt was let go, I can't see it working too well for AOC either.

 

I recall those discussions and I also associate with them Jack. (rip?).

But I also recall engaging on this subject with smith a while back. It is the usual rinse and repeat one comes to expect from the usual suspects.

 

Pelosi has done nothing to AOC. Pelosi will do nothing to AOC. She is the darling of the party and is bringing ideas to the table for discussion. If you think AOC could challenge Pelosi for the leadership.....leadership Pelosi already said was her last term at it....well then that is just hilarious.

If everyone on the right is so obsessed with a lowly representative from a district in ny....then you better believe she is doing something right

 

She's bringing ideas to the table in such a way that the party itself is being made to look foolish. Look, I'm just an elementary-school teacher but even I know better than to introduce important political ideas with such obviously amateurish ideas such as retrofitting every building in the country. Granted, my proposals were at a much lower level - made to the school admins and the district office - but I phrased everything I was asking for in such a way that no one could possibly take them as a joke and I was only a few years older than her when I first started doing so.

It never even occurred to me that AOC might challenge Pelosi for House leadership. AOC however HAS made demands of Pelosi as to what she should get from the leadership there and this isn't a matter of politics; it's basic human nature: Anyone who has worked hard to get to the top is gonna have some resentment of a punk newb acting as if she deserves instant respect and gratification when she hasn't yet earned it. And plans are gonna get made to teach the punk a lesson in humility. Unless she's up for sainthood, Pelosi is no exception to that rule.

I say again: It isn't the right that is obsessed with her. The right isn't obsessed with Lauren Underwood either and both her and AOC are the same thing - Democrat freshman serving in the House. It's AOC who insists on making the news by speaking all the time and going for all the PR she can get - which is her right, BTW. And, it's the press that insists on keeping her there. Calling it an obsession is incorrect; an obsession assumes a motivation of continually searching for her. The fact is - and there's no denying it, the press keeps putting AOC (who is indeed nothing more than a lowly rep from a district in NY) in our face whether we like it or not - much as they DON'T tell us about anything Lauren Underwood, also a lowly rep from a district in Illinois. So long as AOC keeps making herself available for public attention by putting herself out there, she's gonna stay a current event - and fodder for this very forum.

I say again, if the right wants AOC to keep talking - and you see it here on this forum - then perhaps the left should consider that she's doing something wrong?

 

Yeah, that's all bullshit.

Debunking the Theory of Multiple Intelligences



Peterson says the only thing that competes with intelligence for predicting success is conscientiousness, which is not correlated with g, the general factor of intelligence which is measured by IQ.

 

You need to read the posts from right wing people on this forum. They are obsessed with her. They are the ones starting all these threads. The right keeps her in the media....and that is great. No one....even her....expects her green plan to be adopted in full. But she is pushing the envelope. She is making conversations possible that we have never even considered and that is great.

I will say again. Pelosi has done nothing to AOC and she will do nothing to AOC. Every party needs a rebel. The right certainly has had plenty of them.

Want her to go away? Stop talking about her. But listen to right wing radio or fox.....they can not get enough of her. You dont see MSNBC or CNN talking about Underwood .

We need ten more like AOC in congress....and people thinking of running are watching her and her success.

And that is great for the Democrats

 

I see you subscribe to the usual crackpots.

Can't say I'm impressed with Peterson since he seems to have spent a lot of intellectual effort when he could have just bought one of Zig's books at the second hand book store.

 

I'm a fan of Zig Ziglar, but he was a motivational speaker whereas Jordan Peterson is a professional clinical psychologist and college professor. You can't make much progress as a motivational speaker by telling people the truth. And the truth is only about 1 out of 100 people who ever read a positive thinking book or attend a positive thinking lecture will ever actually become successful.

"Turning to the academic literature for confirmation, the link between IQ and success is clear. Adult professionals in the United States earn Weschler scale IQ scores that are on average 25 points higher than those earned by unskilled laborers."

https://www.iq-brain.com/iq-success/

 

It doesn't matter how many stupid things she says. She is a figurehead and democrats love her..even democrats that agree she is dumb still love her...democrats love that she triggers republicans (they care more about annoying members of the opposite party than they do about the country)
She has enough support to get away with anything. Trump says stupid things on occasion and we still love him. My advice, stop getting triggered by her. She is actually helping conservative's with her nutty ideas.

 

Er, of course adult professionals would score higher on average than those of unskilled laborers. Half the friggin world has a below average IQ for crying out loud. Jobs that demand complex problem solving cannot be done people of average or below intelligence. Yet again another "academic" statement of the friggin obvious. I know, I know, you got a million of them.

 

If you believe that, then there is no such thing as multiple intelligences, Jordan Peterson is right, and Zig Ziglar's quote is wrong. Aptitude has as much or more to do with success than attitude does.

p.s. Half of the US has a below average IQ (i.e., 100). For the rest of the world, the results are much worse. India, with a population of 1.5 billion, has an average IQ of 84. Latin America, with a population of 639 million, has an average IQ of 90. Africa, with a population of 1.2 billion, has an average IQ of 75. The Middle East numbers about 411 million and has an average IQ of 80. All in all, the number of people in the world with IQ's below 100 far exceeds the number with IQ's above it.

 

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Nonsense. IQ measures a specific subset of intelligence factors. It doesn't preclude the others.

Zig was right.

I'll take superior attitude and minimally acceptable aptitude over superior aptitude and minimally acceptable attitude every time.

 

AOC is becoming the most powerful and effective member in Congress. She is starting to drive the national agenda.

Ocasio-Cortez reveals how she plans to implement gun, immigration change without Congress
"Ocasio-Cortez and her allies are joining veteran Democratic lawmakers to try to "shame" America's massive financial institutions "into taking a stand on some of the country's most divisive issues: climate change, gun violence and immigration," Politico reported.

More from Politico:

The lawmakers are leveraging seats on the powerful House Financial Services Committee and a huge following on social media to confront finance industry executives and discourage them from funding oil pipelines, firearms makers and private prison companies that operate immigration detention centers. Like-minded activist groups are helping amplify the message.

Ocasio-Cortez even slyly admitted to Politico that part of applying pressure on banks to initiate the change she wants is to circumvent Congress.

"There's more than one way to skin a cat, and not everything has to be done through legislation explicitly," she said. "We can also use the tools that we have here to pressure change in other ways as well."
https://www.theblaze.com/news/ocasio-cortez-change-pressure-banks-guns-immigration

 

Yes. Her position is ridiculous, she's not very bright. Further, pipelines are a much safer means of transport than over the road or by rail tanker.

Trump signs permit to jump-start delayed construction of Keystone XL pipeline.

 

It's not racist to be concerned about the abuse of the welfare/health care system.

 

She's still not very bright, and she has a beef against cows.

According to the rather dumb AOC, Congress amended the Constitution to prevent FDR from being re-elected: ‘They had to amend the Constitution of the United States to make sure Roosevelt did not get reelected.’

This dimwit has a degree from a decent college. And while quite vocal, is unaware that FDR died in office in 1945 and that the 22nd Amendment came in 1947.

Reminder: Anytime you position requires time travel, you should probably rework it.

 

I'll just pop this hot air balloon of yours: AOC got press because of here unexpected defeat of a long time incumbent in the local race....she got press because she has declared herself a socialist-democrat, which is red meat for the neocon/********* ridden GOP....and she got press because (despite gaffs) she speaks truth to power without mincing words. And because she is non-white.

 

An Obama quote doesn't remove or excuse the FACTS regarding Reagan's dog whistle tactics. THAT is what burns your seat!

 

And how does this change the FACTS regarding her take on Reagan?

 

GMAFB! Using an exaggerated example of ONE person to sell your politics to a specific group (in this case, white folks) is not "concern". Remember, then as now the majority of folk on welfare are single parent white women. Yet know one talks about any stats regarding them and incidences of welfare cheating.

 

Read the OP, my chuckling friend. Then discuss the FACTS.