AOC is socialist. Is that bad?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    No, it's simply your failure to understand what Socialism entails.
     
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    Socialism is an economic model. It has no specific relationship to politics, just as it has no specific relationship to religion - just because some religious groups use the model.
     
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    socialism is what definitions says it is. Again, its not sharing a house or when govt builds a road!!
     
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    The poor can't make ends meet right here in capitalist America. We have hundreds of thousands of Americans living on the street because they can't afford housing. We have millions of Americans who can't see a doctor when they are sick. We have millions of Americans who have to work 2 or three jobs, with no benefits, just to stay alive. American capitalism is making a fortunate few extremely rich, while failing miserably to provide enough to live on for millions of others. That's a poor economic system. It's not working for the majority of us. It needs changing.
     
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    you have learned 35 times that Europe lives at 50% of our GDP, invents nothing, and they are rioting in the streets for 18 weekends in a row now because the poor still cant make ends meet despite confiscatory taxes that American libsocialists would die for. Shall we go for 36????
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    When <2% of our people own & control >98% of our national wealth, and the rest of us work for whatever employers are willing to pay--even if it's insufficient to live on--that's close to your "master/slave" option. The system has been gradually manipulated to serve the wealthiest few in more & more ways, leaving the rest of us struggling to keep pace with inflation over time, & getting no real raises for over 30 years. Meanwhile, the richest families in America continue gaining new income at fantastic rates, like 100% and above. That's nuts. I don't mind the wealthy being rich. I mind that the middle class--the average American--isn't benefiting from our national plenty. The wealthy aren't sharing. Let them be wealthy. But let the rest of us benefit from America's growing wealth too. Adapting some ideas from socialism could help remedy this disparity in a way agreeable to all, if properly done.
     
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    the majority of Americans are the richest people in human history while 2 billion live at $1-2 a day!. Socialist bailouts will push the number of poor up not down. You have learned 37 times that China eliminated poverty by using capitalism not lib socialism. Shall we go for 38??
     
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    its a free county you don't have to transfer your wealth to Gates Jobs Musk etc. if you think its makes you worse off. A few billionaires in China just led 800 million into the middle class out of starvation. Do you understand?
     
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    they are sharing too much which is why poor cant make progress. Fed and State now spend $8 trillion/year bailing out failed individuals. What would happen if they bailed out every business that failed?? 1+1=2
     
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    Again. . .Lenin was wrong. Socialism & communism ARE DIFFERENT. Socialism allows private enterprise & encourages it. Communism never does. Democratic Socialism has free elections & lives according to election outcomes. Communism is authoritarian & doesn't. The social & political differences between socialism & communism are very real & significant in the societies under their rule. You are continuing the victimization of America by Cold War propaganda. It was just propaganda, and wrong. I don't mind that you're conservative and/or a capitalist, but I strongly encourage you to learn more about the systems you're denouncing & intentionally confusing with each other in wrong ways.
     
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    I don't understand your question.
     
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    all poverty ends if they graduate from HS and don't get pregnant. Liberals have encouraged this with their crippling welfare programs! Do you take responsibility for what you have done?
     
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    What do you mean by "moral hazard"?
     
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    you are complain abut poverty so you must want to copy china and switch to capitalism???
     
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    Econ 101!!!!!!!!!!!!Jump to Economic theory - In economics, moral hazard occurs when someone increases their exposure to risk when insured, especially when a person takes more risks because someone else bears the cost of those risks
     
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    an intellectual 100 times smarter than you!! America has $8trillion in libsocialism and its failing so what do liberals want? they want to double down toward communism. THe more socialism fails the more it shifts into communism
     
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    It is sharing a house, when all contribute to the common purse needed to run that house, and all the work needed to maintain it.
     
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    sorry to rock your world!!


    so·cial·ism
    /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
    noun
    1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
      synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism;More
      • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
        synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism;More

      • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
     
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    insanity!!, definition says its about society owning major industries, not about govt building a road or husband/wife sharing house.
     
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    It's the FIRST WORLD, not Bangladesh. Anyone remaining poor in the world's richest nation, is there by choice. I've repeatedly talked about collective living as an antidote to First World 'poverty', and any of these people could employ that approach at any time and never experience homelessness etc again, but they don't. Why?
     
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    Govt encourages them to be single, have children, drop out of HS, and live alone on the dole, and then blame the system for their poverty!! Lib solution is always to double down toward communism
     
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    Firstly, they may not be familiar with the concept. Do you think that posting on PF informs the homeless how to live? What have you done to educate the homeless if you are so frustrated?

    Secondly, how do they implement this? Do you think landlords don't charge for each person? Are medical bills something that can be shared? Do you only need half the clothing or half the food? Do banks loan to groups of homeless people?
     
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    1) yes, but it's the other way around. when your rich are obliged to do all the work/funding to support those 'unwilling' to work, then they are the slave. the master is the guy sleeping til noon.

    2) it won't ever be agreeable to all, because you keep enabling non-participation. and because not everyone wants to 'remedy disparity'. nature sure doesn't.
     
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    2 can live as cheaply as one!!
     
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